All Things Guns

darksidemj said:
Anyone into mid/long range shooting, say 400-1000+ yards? I am considering doing a .308 build for this but curious to see if anyone here does.
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I have done quite a bit of all range shooting. I have a .308 for Tactical shooting scenarios and well as long range(600-1000yd) rifles and short range (100-300yd) target rifles, yes I have competed with them. Not guns I bought but custom made target rifles typically not is commercially available calibers.
The .260 Rem isn't a bad choice and will have great barrel like, (I own one) the 6.5x284 has been proven in long range matches as a real winner but barrel life is considerably shorter than a .260 or .308. I have never seen a .308 be competitive in benchrest at 1000yds.
The last rifle I built was a .284 bolt action 1000yd rifle shooting 180gr Bergers, this seems to be a sweet setup IMHO.
Ask, I'll answer. Oh yeah, my background was 22yrs of employment with the last 8yrs doing product development for a very very large ammunition company.
 
R.DesJardin said:
I have done quite a bit of all range shooting. I have a .308 for Tactical shooting scenarios and well as long range(600-1000yd) rifles and short range (100-300yd) target rifles, yes I have competed with them. Not guns I bought but custom made target rifles typically not is commercially available calibers.
The .260 Rem isn't a bad choice and will have great barrel like, (I own one) the 6.5x284 has been proven in long range matches as a real winner but barrel life is considerably shorter than a .260 or .308. I have never seen a .308 be competitive in benchrest at 1000yds.
The last rifle I built was a .284 bolt action 1000yd rifle shooting 180gr Bergers, this seems to be a sweet setup IMHO.
Ask, I'll answer. Oh yeah, my background was 22yrs of employment with the last 8yrs doing product development for a very very large ammunition company.
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Your not far from Lodi, plan on shooting any f-class? I am hoping to this summer..
 
962door said:
Your not far from Lodi, plan on shooting any f-class? I am hoping to this summer..
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I wouldn't mind coming to check it out. Although you mean lay on the hard ground and shoot instead of sitting at a bench on a comfy padded stool? Regardless, I have pretty much retired from competitive shooting since I start with the shifters, always ready to give advice and share knowledge. When moving here I actually didn't bring any of my target rifles since it takes a lot of time reloading and practicing for competitions and I just don't have that time now.
 
R.DesJardin said:
I wouldn't mind coming to check it out. Although you mean lay on the hard ground and shoot instead of sitting at a bench on a comfy padded stool? Regardless, I have pretty much retired from competitive shooting since I start with the shifters, always ready to give advice and share knowledge. When moving here I actually didn't bring any of my target rifles since it takes a lot of time reloading and practicing for competitions and I just don't have that time now.
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I love your stand on the second amendment....makes me want to buy one of your rock shifters even more! :D
 
R.DesJardin said:
I have done quite a bit of all range shooting. I have a .308 for Tactical shooting scenarios and well as long range(600-1000yd) rifles and short range (100-300yd) target rifles, yes I have competed with them. Not guns I bought but custom made target rifles typically not is commercially available calibers.
The .260 Rem isn't a bad choice and will have great barrel like, (I own one) the 6.5x284 has been proven in long range matches as a real winner but barrel life is considerably shorter than a .260 or .308. I have never seen a .308 be competitive in benchrest at 1000yds.
The last rifle I built was a .284 bolt action 1000yd rifle shooting 180gr Bergers, this seems to be a sweet setup IMHO.
Ask, I'll answer. Oh yeah, my background was 22yrs of employment with the last 8yrs doing product development for a very very large ammunition company.
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I am mainly looking for mid-range target shooting(400-700 yrds) but would like the capability to go out to 1000 yrds when I visit ranges that have the distance. I have thought about doing some local competitions in the future some time but still working on my skills. lol. If you have any input I would appreciate it. Main thing I'm still not sure what kind of twist in the barrel to look for to use for these distances.
 
For 400-700 you won't need too crazy of a setup. My abolt .270 has shot that far. There are some pretty cool ballistics apps you can get. I have one called applied ballistics, desinged by the guy who figures out the ballistics for berger bullets. It can tie into a kestrel device with bluetooth and is amazingly accurate as far as drops. I have made first shot connections a lot out to the distances you are planning on. I would reccomend checking out longrangehunting.com Its a forum that has a lot of information from people that shoot way further.

The twist is going to depend on how heavy of a bullet you plan to use. The majority of my long range shooting is with an 7wsm and the 162 amax or 180 berger, or a 6.5x284 with 140 bergers.


Do you reload?
 
962door said:
For 400-700 you won't need too crazy of a setup.


Do you reload?
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This.

It's all in the bullet and powder. 4-700 isn't anything crazy. When I was shooting high power we would shoot 500 yards iron sights with the same AR we would shoot 200. It's all in the round.
 
darksidemj said:
I am mainly looking for mid-range target shooting(400-700 yrds) but would like the capability to go out to 1000 yrds when I visit ranges that have the distance. I have thought about doing some local competitions in the future some time but still working on my skills. lol. If you have any input I would appreciate it. Main thing I'm still not sure what kind of twist in the barrel to look for to use for these distances.
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My opinion is you are just starting a good .308 win is a good choice you can easily buy ammo and components are plentiful for .30 cal. Check out the tactical rifles Rem and Savage make. You didn't mention what kind of comps, this can have a lot to do with a caliber selection.
7mm & 6.5 probably have the best bc's for bullet weight. When you get into custom built then there is a lot more to consider. Ballistic software is a great tool but you still need to shoot it to confirm your clicks, which brings me to optics. Don't buy a cheap scope, I use Leupolds and Nightforce, and 1 Weaver T36.
 
R.DesJardin said:
My opinion is you are just starting a good .308 win is a good choice you can easily buy ammo and components are plentiful for .30 cal. Check out the tactical rifles Rem and Savage make. You didn't mention what kind of comps, this can have a lot to do with a caliber selection.
7mm & 6.5 probably have the best bc's for bullet weight. When you get into custom built then there is a lot more to consider. Ballistic software is a great tool but you still need to shoot it to confirm your clicks, which brings me to optics. Don't buy a cheap scope, I use Leupolds and Nightforce, and 1 Weaver T36.
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Don't forget the single most important accessory you can bolt onto a firearm to improve its accuracy: The shooter.

Lots of expensive rifles at the range with average performance because shooters think that spending money will get them farther than practicing the fundamentals. You don't need big calibers or fancy rifles to do that.
 
RedHeep said:
Don't forget the single most important accessory you can bolt onto a firearm to improve its accuracy: The shooter.

Lots of expensive rifles at the range with average performance because shooters think that spending money will get them farther than practicing the fundamentals. You don't need big calibers or fancy rifles to do that.
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Yes, that was my point of starting with a Rem or Savage, learn to shoot, read the wind, know your firearms potential.
 
I've been out of town so sorry I haven't replied yet. As of now I do not reload but will be doing so in the near future, have been looking at equipment as such. I have been looking at purchasing the Rem 700 or have seen some nice builds and good reports from the sav. stevens 200. I am not completely certain on the types of comps they do in my area, working on finding this out so I can stay within whatever certain rules.

The only comps I have done in the past are Quigley shoots using a sharps 45-70, lead, and windage sites. I had only done a couple of those though.

I have been working on improving my skills lately though and aware a fancy gun will not make me and excellent marksman. working to improve though. I just want a decent firearm that I can learn with and use once I have gotten better.
 
Nightforce and Leupold are front runners in the optics world. Nikon and Bushnell are great for the money. ...if you buy the high end of those brands. Not that the low end scopes are bad, but when you spend $100 on a "good" hunting scope and can spend $700 on the same brand for a great long range scope. For example...

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Bann...id=1369021003&sr=8-1&keywords=bushnell+banner

http://www.amazon.com/Bushnell-Tact...id=1369021055&sr=1-13&keywords=bushnell+elite

The consensus on optics is spending something like 2 or 3 times on glass than the rifle. I don't know about all that, but whatever.

The Remmy 700 has a great history for being one of the most accurate rifles out of the box. They have a vast amount of models, calibers and further options. The aftermarket is huge as well. If you wanna gather a few ideas about an R700, check out this site.

http://www.700rifle.com/forums/

Am I a little biased towards the 700? Maybe. But as far as bolt actions go, I'm most familiar with that particular rifle. Other than perhaps a Mosin Nagant. But that's not at all what we're talking about here. Haha!
 
Also, I've heard very good things about the Winchester Model 70. I have no real knowledge of the rifle, just heard it's quite accurate.

I wouldn't be afraid of a Savage. I've shot a couple of those and know they're great rifles.

The Ruger American is a good little rifle. It's not exactly built for long distances. More so for the hunter on the move. It's got a lighter (full-float) barrel but it's got aluminum V-notch bedding and, IIRC, an adjustable trigger from the factory. It's only available in .243, .308, .270 & 30-06.

Does anybody know anything about Howa rifles? Or how well Kimber's bolt guns have turned out?
 
Buy/Sell/Trade optics. Can't believe I didn't think of this earlier. This site has a load of brands and models. Anything from New - like new - used.

http://www.samplelist.com/
 
I run a bunch of leupolds, a few 6.5x20 and a 8.5x25, mark 4's. The nightforces are really nice but I can buy two nice leupolds for that price. If you plan on clicking the scope you should stick with a lot better quality scopes.
 
Buddys bro in law is selling a bolt action 30-06. i believe he said its a Remington comes with a bi pod and scope. dude is strapped for cash what you guys think its worth?

Edit: looking at a pic it looks like a 770 but im not 100% on that
 
A used 770 is worth probably around $250. Maybe a bit more with the bipod, but they come from the factory with a scope more often than not and retail for around $300-350. Sales happen quite a bit and they go for $299 at say Dick's or something like that.

It's a decent starter gun. I've heard of people having to replace the barrels after 500 or so rounds down range. That's pretty minimal, but for the average guy; how long will it take to send out 500 rounds?

When I got my 700, I did 100rds in the first month of ownership. Since, it's probably ran a box or two. It got a little use at FestFest and a random few shots having others try it out. Other than that, I haven't fired it at a deer and it's primarily a hunting rifle.
 
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