6+ inches of lift on stock shocks...?

[Lawn Cher']

You probably have a Trailmaster lift. It includes rather beefy front coils, drop brackets, and rear AALs. The one I had on my MJ was a shortie AAL -- don't know what they come with now. The Trailmaster is nominally a 4" lift.

The reason you don't have wobbles is that the drop brackets are designed to maintain stock front suspension geometery at 4" of lift. Your control arms are still parellel to the pavement. Throw in your coil spacers and they won't be.

4" is all the lift you need to run 31" tires. Doesn't matter if you have begun collecting parts for additional lift. You haven't got any need to lift more. You haven't even disconnected yet, so you have not begun to test the capabilities of your vehicle. You are just asking for problems if you take a factory lift kit that's designed to work together -- and does work together, as evidenced by the fact that you don't have death wobble -- and start throwing mis-matched parts at it.

It's been said before, but I'll say it again: you are approaching this all wrong. If you had a stock vehicle, we would be advising you to run it stock until you see how much lift or other changes you need, then decide on the MINIMUM lift necessary to run the trails you have access to. You bought a Jeep with a 4" lift. That's a vary capable setup. You haven't begun to test its limits yet. There is no reason for you to go higher. There is CERTAINLY no reason for you to go higher in a jury-rigged, Mickey Mouse fashion that's going to make your rig dangerous to you and anyone sharing the road with you.

Listen up, man! You can't even afford to buy shock absorbers -- stop looking for problems. Just start saving, and spend the time learning the capabilities of your vehicle. If, sometime down the road, you find that you really NEED to go higher, don't do it until you have the money to buy a complete kit and do it right. The cost of lifting is exponential. Start tossing parts at your Jeep and you'll just create a Frankenstein that's unsafe on the street and still won't perform any better off-road than what you have now.

:clap: I couldn't have said it any better myself. :clap:






And even if I could, I probably wouldn't have. :nono: :banghead: :twak:

 

[Darky]

My question is, doesn't it sound weird to any of you to try and use an AAL to gain more lift over another, larger one? Do I just have the mechanics of an AAL all wrong or has it just slipped through the sight of the rest of you guys? It seems to me if you have a 4" AAL on there and stick and 2" under it you'll just have an AAL chillin underneath the ack not doing anything and if you put it above it'd just get bent up to 4" like the spring packs currently are...I currently am running stock shocks with the setup in signature and it works for me, but I am nowhere near 6"...

 

[BIG-G]

You probably have a Trailmaster lift. It includes rather beefy front coils, drop brackets, and rear AALs. The one I had on my MJ was a shortie AAL -- don't know what they come with now. The Trailmaster is nominally a 4" lift.

The reason you don't have wobbles is that the drop brackets are designed to maintain stock front suspension geometery at 4" of lift. Your control arms are still parellel to the pavement. Throw in your coil spacers and they won't be.

4" is all the lift you need to run 31" tires. Doesn't matter if you have begun collecting parts for additional lift. You haven't got any need to lift more. You haven't even disconnected yet, so you have not begun to test the capabilities of your vehicle. You are just asking for problems if you take a factory lift kit that's designed to work together -- and does work together, as evidenced by the fact that you don't have death wobble -- and start throwing mis-matched parts at it.

It's been said before, but I'll say it again: you are approaching this all wrong. If you had a stock vehicle, we would be advising you to run it stock until you see how much lift or other changes you need, then decide on the MINIMUM lift necessary to run the trails you have access to. You bought a Jeep with a 4" lift. That's a vary capable setup. You haven't begun to test its limits yet. There is no reason for you to go higher. There is CERTAINLY no reason for you to go higher in a jury-rigged, Mickey Mouse fashion that's going to make your rig dangerous to you and anyone sharing the road with you.

Listen up, man! You can't even afford to buy shock absorbers -- stop looking for problems. Just start saving, and spend the time learning the capabilities of your vehicle. If, sometime down the road, you find that you really NEED to go higher, don't do it until you have the money to buy a complete kit and do it right. The cost of lifting is exponential. Start tossing parts at your Jeep and you'll just create a Frankenstein that's unsafe on the street and still won't perform any better off-road than what you have now.

Its NOT a matter of affording the shocks really but the fact that i spend alot of $$ on it and i get yelled at by the Mrs. for it as it is.
As for going higher, well its what i want so its what i'll do. Call me stubborn, call me whatever u want, i just want it higher & for now i'll just swing the BB as i enter the XJ world.

You are very close to correct on describing my lift but i just want to point out that i know the geometry configured into certian parts like reasoning for the drop brackets & all. Im just not typing it into the dam question, simple as that. If the lift is a genuine 4" trailmaster with front springs and rear AAL (shorty is correct cause its the one that doesnt match as much).. then 2" really shouldnt hurt that much. Especially when i plan on bar pin eliminators and bottom re-mounts.

 

[Yucca-Man]

My question is, doesn't it sound weird to any of you to try and use an AAL to gain more lift over another, larger one?

Yup, sounds absolutely unthought-out to me...especially considering the message relayed in the post immediately after yours. Sheesh. There's always that ten percent, huh? :laugh3:

 

[BIG-G]

My question is, doesn't it sound weird to any of you to try and use an AAL to gain more lift over another, larger one? Do I just have the mechanics of an AAL all wrong or has it just slipped through the sight of the rest of you guys? It seems to me if you have a 4" AAL on there and stick and 2" under it you'll just have an AAL chillin underneath the ack not doing anything and if you put it above it'd just get bent up to 4" like the spring packs currently are...I currently am running stock shocks with the setup in signature and it works for me, but I am nowhere near 6"...

Ok, that is the one thing ive been pondering is whether the full length AAL will work fine with the shorter one or should i just get shackles?? Problem is i cant find shackles bigger then 1.75".

 

[Lawn Cher']

Its NOT a matter of affording the shocks really but the fact that i spend alot of $$ on it and i get yelled at by the Mrs. for it as it is.
As for going higher, well its what i want so its what i'll do. Call me stubborn, call me whatever u want, i just want it higher & for now i'll just swing the BB as i enter the XJ world.

You are very close to correct on describing my lift but i just want to point out that i know the geometry configured into certian parts like reasoning for the drop brackets & all. Im just not typing it into the dam question, simple as that. If the lift is a genuine 4" trailmaster with front springs and rear AAL (shorty is correct cause its the one that doesnt match as much).. then 2" really shouldnt hurt that much. Especially when i plan on bar pin eliminators and bottom re-mounts.

If you are gonna do what you want regardless of the expert advice given, then why ask in the first place? Don't waste everyone's time here if you aren't going to listen to reason and experience just because what we say isn't what you wanna hear.

That boy ain't right.

 

[BIG-G]

If you are gonna do what you want regardless of the expert advice given, then why ask in the first place? Don't waste everyone's time here if you aren't going to listen to reason and experience just because what we say isn't what you wanna hear.

That boy ain't right.

Im sorry, i didnt realize u call ur own advice, "expert"!! Now that i know i have ur expertise i'll let u in on why i ask the question in the first place... so i know what to expect with parts or with problems.
If im wasting ur time then dont read the dam thread u idiot.

 

[Yucca-Man]

Im sorry, i didnt realize u call ur own advice, "expert"!! Now that i know i have ur expertise i'll let u in on why i ask the question in the first place... so i know what to expect with parts or with problems.
If im wasting ur time then dont read the dam thread u idiot.

Wasting our time? Nooooo...this is entertaining as all get-out! Thanks for the laughs!

 

[sintax]

This thread should be removed ASAP. Everyone who has spent any time reading this has not only lost precious moments of their lives that they could have spent elsewhere, but they've also lost intelligence via osmosis during this time. The brain matter started to seep out of your mouth the moment your jaw dropped from reading this asshat disgrard the most sane advice i've ever seen anyone get on this board. Eagle had some awesome tech that was put out there and all this guys wants to know is where he can get a 8" shackle lift.

MODs please remove this thread!

 

[Lawn Cher']

Im sorry, i didnt realize u call ur own advice, "expert"!! Now that i know i have ur expertise i'll let u in on why i ask the question in the first place... so i know what to expect with parts or with problems.
If im wasting ur time then dont read the dam thread u idiot.

Well, idiot, since I have a degree in mechanical engineering and have been designing and fabricating parts, wrenching on and driving the XJ/MJ chassis for well over 8 years, I do consider myself an expert. Eagle has over 40 years of hands-on automotive experience, so I consider him an expert as well.

You've been told what to expect with your parts and plans... your response each time is an argument and a resolution that you're going to do what you want anyway, regardless of better judgement. So my question to you again is, WHY BOTHER ASKING?!

 

[Ramsey]

Why dont you post some pics of it so we can help determine just what it is you have. x2 on measuring shocks to see if they will work and if in fact they are stock.

 

[JP]

Worst mistake I made was jumping into a build without REALLY knowing what I wanted. I am still collecting parts and paying for it now 3 years later after discovering .

Even worse was not listening to the advice once I found this knowledge haven. I am still collecting parts and paying for it now 3 years later after discovering .

 

[Kejtar]

Well, idiot, since I have a degree in mechanical engineering and have been designing and fabricating parts, wrenching on and driving the XJ/MJ chassis for well over 8 years, I do consider myself an expert. Eagle has over 40 years of hands-on automotive experience, so I consider him an expert as well.

You've been told what to expect with your parts and plans... your response each time is an argument and a resolution that you're going to do what you want anyway, regardless of better judgement. So my question to you again is, WHY BOTHER ASKING?!

Well I think the question was asked for the sake of asking not for the sake of the answer I did provide a fairly descriptive way of figuring out the shock length issue and seems that it was missed. I guess it must be a NY thing

 

[old_man]

This needs to go.