Your opinion please....

[Beezil]

Beezil, I have read many of your posts and appreciate your sense of humor. But what the heck does this post have to do with our discussion? I don't think that his comment was a put down of Eshel, rather an observation of how we work to get along.

I do take exception to being labeled a 'so-called' Christian because I am a Christian, no 'so-called' about it. I didn't know that being Christian was a liability to being in . I've kept my religion off the boards and expect you to respect that rather than attacking those you don't know. There was nothing in this thread about religion and I am confused as to why you would bring it in. Perhaps you could use the example of your good friend and use RESTRAINT IN KEEPING YOUR NON-RELIGIOUS BELIEFS IN CHECK. :laugh3:

p.s. Please note sarcasm at end. I would be happy to discuss anything about my religion on a pm.

I felt it an obligation to reply to someone who inferred that I somehow don't mesh with religious people......I was more or less DRAGGED into the discussion....for the record. Anyone who knows both me and eshel would know damn well what that meant. Since you don't seem to have the backround on that, it doesn't surprise me that you wouldn't understand the correlation


as ar as you "taking exception" consider the fact that if you do not classify yourself a "so-called christian" then I wasn't even talking to you, since I was talking to them. If you don't like being in the category of "so-called christian" don't try so hard to be in it.

 

[Led]

Religion or lack of, This is not the place to to discuss it.I was not taking a side I know where I stand on religion and thats enough for me. If everyone would please refrain from any comments for or against any religious beliefs it would be most helpfull. Take these dicusions back channel. If somebody posts something you don't like and is offensive show some restraint don't post back P.M. me or JohnJohn or hell call me(719-238-2816) I just don't believe this is a proper topic for the chapter board of a JEEP club. Thank You all now lets get back on Troys original topic.
Led

 

[Fred]

Beezil my point was that eshel and you treated each other with respect despite some differences in the way you each lived your lives. I wasn't trying to broaden the dissension, or imply anything negative about you. I completely agree with you about eshel and his demeanor and actions.

I myself am crude, rude, lewd, and generally socially unacceptable, but I have a kid so I try to behave in the public forums as I would want others to behave in front of my kid. That's my only code of conduct.

I think the Den is just fine, and in fact, I think the silly picture posting limits should be lifted.

Troy, I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying about the Chapter forums. I think it makes more sense to be consistent in the public forums.

Fred

 

[MMIXJ]

wow... take a few days away from the web for the holidays and return to this!

good discussion.

my $.02:
i read these forum selectively: just the mod tech and the CO chapter. occasionally i'll look in on the members' forum, but based on the dates listed it doesn't look too active. i have seen a few posts there about all of these "problems" which frankly i've never seen first-hand, but again i only read what interests me. i don't think i could even name any "bad apples".

i DO get tired of the "do a search" responses. i find this mentality odd because after all this is a web-based forum, not a direct email list. if 25 people a day want to ask about their D35 i can simply choose NOT to read the thread (what a concept!). the people who respond "do a search" only make the matter worse by moving the thread to the top and adding yet another reply.

fwiw, i've been a part of a technology listserv since 1994, and over this decade there have been "generations" (for lack of a better word) of newbies and experts... the same questions are still being asked and answered, but by different people. once an active "expert", i no longer bother to read or reply to the basic questions because others have moved up the ranks to take on this task. i don't see any reason why couldn't follow the same structure; if you see a thread that doesn't interest you or move you to reply, then don't do it! someone else always will (unless they're made to feel stupid for doing so) and the person who asked the question will be grateful for it!

remember, there is no such thing as a "stupid question". we all had to start somewhere (i'm still an eager newbie in this realm, but actively learning a lot from the "old timers").

as for a specific suggestion: i'd say make membership a prerequisite for posting. period. a lot can be gleaned here just by searching and reading, but i would've joined much earlier if i hadn't been allowed to ask questions. there needs to be something more concrete for "members"... frankly, despite previously being called a "freeloader" i really didn't ever think about whether or not i was a member. i had checked the "send me info about joining" box at the anniversary moab bash registration and never got a thing, so it dropped off my radar. i'm embarassed to say that until troy pointed it out to me i never even noticed that some names (members) were in RED. it wasn't until the COLO XJ FEST that i once again thought about joining... and procrastinated until called out by troy. my point is, other than "for the good of the organization", there really isn't much of an incentive to join.

hope this helps.

terry

 

[Beezil]

Beezil my point was that eshel and you treated each other with respect despite some differences in the way you each lived your lives. I wasn't trying to broaden the dissension, or imply anything negative about you. I completely agree with you about eshel and his demeanor and actions.

I myself am crude, rude, lewd, and generally socially unacceptable, but I have a kid so I try to behave in the public forums as I would want others to behave in front of my kid. That's my only code of conduct.

I think the Den is just fine, and in fact, I think the silly picture posting limits should be lifted.

Troy, I'm not quite sure I understand what you are saying about the Chapter forums. I think it makes more sense to be consistent in the public forums.

Fred

got it, no biggie.

 

[Tom R.]

I've never said anything about this before, and sort of hate to say it now and get this thread further off topic, but since it probably would not be a good thing to start a seperate thread about it, and this thread is about forum conduct, I'll go ahead.

I am also a Christian, but have never talked about it on these forums. From what I've seen, those who don't like anything to do with Christianity (like Beezil) are the ones who have been making comments about religion, even if only to say that they don't want to see posts about it. I think it's very interesting that all sorts of values can be displayed around here, but if anything relating to religious values get's mentioned the non-believers have a cow. A little humerous to me how easily they are aroused. I see pics and read comments often that I wouldn't do myself, but I don't criticize those who make them. Tolerance.......does it only go one way?

Nicely said Richard.....I don't think I could have said it any better.

Another forum I frequent has a simple policy: no discussions on religion or politics allowed. It works well and I wouldn't mind seeing it implemented here.

Back on topic.....some good points made so far. To me, it's seemingly obvious that Den-type behavior has bled over to the other forums. Just as religion and politics have no place at a Jeep forum, perhaps the Den has no place here as well. I agree with the KISS principle concerning the number of forums.

I also agree up to a point about people chilling out a bit. Too many are getting too serious about this Internet place. However, there are others who need to restrain themselves a bit more and behave appropriately, especially considering what it can do to our reputation. It can take years to build a great rep and only one stupid act to ruin it. Member do have a responsibility. Let's keep it balanced.

As for the tech articles, does it have to be one way or the other? I don't see why we couldn't create a FAQ (watered down version of tech articles) that answers the most common questions and available to all, while the tech articles can be more detailed, specific repairs/mods available for members only.

Best regards

 

[Beezil]

As for the tech articles, does it have to be one way or the other? I don't see why we couldn't create a FAQ (watered down version of tech articles) that answers the most common questions and available to all, while the tech articles can be more detailed, specific repairs/mods available for members only.

Best regards

I'll bet old man would be interested in hearing your ideas for tech....

he's spearheading.

 

[Tom R.]

Yeah, it's something I thought about a little while ago and planned to discuss with Tom once we're in our new seats. Tom H, watcha think?

 

[OT]

Yeah, it's something I thought about a little while ago and planned to discuss with Tom once we're in our new seats. Tom H, watcha think?

Better not forget to run this past the Vice President as well.

 

[Tom R.]

I mentioned Tom H specifically because I knew this issue was something that was on his mind already. It's really that simple.

That aside, I have no doubt any discussions regarding club business will be discussed with every member of the BOD.

 

[MMIXJ]

Better not forget to run this past the Vice President as well.

...everybody knows the VP is just a figurehead.

terry
(Vice President of the Terry Chapter)

 

[YELLAHEEP]

I am also a Christian, but have never talked about it on these forums. From what I've seen, those who don't like anything to do with Christianity (like Beezil) are the ones who have been making comments about religion, even if only to say that they don't want to see posts about it. I think it's very interesting that all sorts of values can be displayed around here, but if anything relating to religious values get's mentioned the non-believers have a cow. A little humerous to me how easily they are aroused. I see pics and read comments often that I wouldn't do myself, but I don't criticize those who make them. Tolerance.......does it only go one way?

Thank you! That's a perfect example of what I'm trying to convey here. A person can take what Richard said and replace the "religion" specific part of it and insert what ever topic ya want..... it's the "non-believers have a cow" and "easily aroused" part that rings true. I'd simply like to see some active moderation taking place when topics in the Public and Member forums degrade.

 

[XJEEPER]

Cut and pasted from another thread, thought I'd share........

Profanity is profanity, we all know what it is, how it's spelled and when it's used. Some don't care, some are offended, some would never use profanity in front of their Mom, some learned if from their Mom, many don't speak their opinion on the subject because they don't want to get pulled into a laborious debate, which always seems to evoke a religion debate as well...........many here like to toss out F-bombs merely to test the epidural durometer of those around them and to see what they can get away with. I hear swearing on a daily basis, most folks I know swear, and I've even uttered a word or two on occasion....ok, it may have been 3.....but that's my limit.

Limiting the use on it on public forums isn't about freedom of speech or religious beliefs, it's about the image and value of the club. It brings little value to the forums and the club, which are, and always have been a family environment. I've made a lot of new friends with my association with and that is a value. I've learned much about Jeeps as well as other topics and continue to do so, that is a value.

I'm also wondering if any of our supporting vendors care about the image that is portrayed by the sites that fly their banners? If we haven't considered this as a whole, I think we should.
It seems a lot like what my son is learning in 1st grade........follow the rules and control yourself or someone else will have to.

 

[BillR]

Cut and pasted from another thread, thought I'd share........

Profanity is profanity, we all know what it is, how it's spelled and when it's used. Some don't care, some are offended, some would never use profanity in front of their Mom, some learned if from their Mom, many don't speak their opinion on the subject because they don't want to get pulled into a laborious debate, which always seems to evoke a religion debate as well...........many here like to toss out F-bombs merely to test the epidural durometer of those around them and to see what they can get away with. I hear swearing on a daily basis, most folks I know swear, and I've even uttered a word or two on occasion....ok, it may have been 3.....but that's my limit.

Limiting the use on it on public forums isn't about freedom of speech or religious beliefs, it's about the image and value of the club. It brings little value to the forums and the club, which are, and always have been a family environment. I've made a lot of new friends with my association with and that is a value. I've learned much about Jeeps as well as other topics and continue to do so, that is a value.

I'm also wondering if any of our supporting vendors care about the image that is portrayed by the sites that fly their banners? If we haven't considered this as a whole, I think we should.
It seems a lot like what my son is learning in 1st grade........follow the rules and control yourself or someone else will have to.

Well said, Jeff!

 

[JEONLYEP]

It seems a lot like what my son is learning in 1st grade........follow the rules and control yourself or someone else will have to.

What about enforcement of existing forum rules.
"Rudeness toward another Forum participant will not be tolerated. Any participant who is intentionally unpleasant, obscene, or disruptive will receive one (1) warning. Any participant who offends after receiving a warning may be suspended for a period of time determined by the BOD, or banned permanently without further warning.

Personal attacks directed toward another Forum participant will not be tolerated."
How many times have these rules been enforced?

I've only heard of one case. Maybe I'm wrong. But if people don't know that they are breaking the rules of the forums (giving more warnings) then they won't change their behavior.

Daryl

 

[XJEEPER]

This rule has been enforced many, many times.....but perhaps not enough? Most folks never report the posts that offend..........

 

[JEONLYEP]

This rule has been enforced many, many times.....but perhaps not enough? Most folks never report the posts that offend..........

Well I don't get out very much. But I do think there needs to be more enforcement of what is on the books already.

 

[Kudzu]

See, you missed what Jeff was saying..The Mods do not lokk at every post. So the only way for us to know that someone is breaking the rules is for the post to be reported. And Yes, when it is reported we do take care of it.

 

[JEONLYEP]

See, you missed what Jeff was saying..The Mods do not lokk at every post. So the only way for us to know that someone is breaking the rules is for the post to be reported. And Yes, when it is reported we do take care of it.

Okay, I did miss that. So in truth what we need to do to keep the "un" like posts from being a problem is to get more folks to report questionable post.?.

Daryl.

 

[Kudzu]

Correct...