Why is Obama stalling oil cleanup in the Gulf?

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Keeping local governments in the dark is just one reason why the frustration of residents in the Gulf is so palpable.

State and local governments know their geography, people, economic impacts and needs far better than the federal government does. Contrary to popular belief, the federal government has actually been playing a bigger and bigger role in running natural disaster responses. And as Heritage fellow Matt Mayer has documented, the results have gotten worse, not better.

And when the federal government isn’t sapping the initiative and expertise of local governments, it has been preventing foreign governments from helping. Just three days after the Deepwater Horizon explosion, the Dutch government offered to provide ships outfitted with oil-skimming booms and proposed a plan for building sand barriers to protect sensitive marshlands. LA Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) supported the idea, but the Obama administration refused the help. All told, thirteen countries have offered to help us clean up the Gulf, and the Obama administration has turned them all down.

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/06/10/morning-bell-how-the-white-house-is-making-oil-recovery-harder/

Many in the U.S., including the president, have expressed frustration with the handling of the cleanup. In the Netherlands, the response would have been different, Visser said.

There, the government owns the cleanup equipment, including the skimmers now being deployed in the Gulf.
If there's a spill in the Netherlands, we give the oil companies 12 hours to react,” he said.
If the response is inadequate or the companies are unprepared, the government takes over and sends the companies the bill.

While the skimmers should soon be in use, the plan for building sand barriers remains more uncertain. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal supports the idea, and the Coast Guard has tentatively approved the pro-ject. One of the proposals being considered was developed by the Dutch marine contractor Van Oord and Deltares, a Dutch research institute that specializes in environmental issues in deltas, coastal areas and rivers. They have a strategy to begin building 60-mile-long sand dikes within three weeks.

That proposal, like the offer for skimmers, was rebuffed but later accepted by the government. BP has begun paying about $360 million to cover the costs. Once again, though, the Jones Act may be getting in the way. American dredging companies, which lack the dike-building expertise of the Dutch, want to do the work themselves, Visser said.

“We don't want to take over, but we have the equipment,” he said.
While he battles the bureaucracy, the people of Louisiana suffer, their livelihoods in jeopardy from the onslaught of oil.

“Let's forget about politics; let's get it done,” Visser said.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/steffy/7043272.html


I hope this isn't the exploitation of an emergency and our planet to force Cap and Trade legistation through and to also somehow justify the government takeover of the oil industy..........:flamemad:

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Wow, that was almost too easy to predict...........

President Obama recently used the Gulf oil spill to stress the need for Congress to pass cap and trade, specifically the bill introduced by Senators John Kerry (D–MA) and Joe Lieberman (I–CT) after much delay. The 987-page American Power Act (APA) aims to reduce 2005 levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions by 80 percent by 2050, the same target that the House version passed last year.

Despite promises of consumer protection, however, the economic effects are the same. APA aims to increase energy prices, which would kill jobs and protect large corporations at the expense of the consumer—all for a minimal effect on the earth’s temperature.

The American Power Act will be sold as an economic stimulus, a planet saver, and an answer to the conditions that led to the oil spill. But the only winners are the big corporations who managed to get a seat at the table when the bill was crafted. For the large majority of Americans who did not, the bill would have a negative net impact.

APA is a significant tax on energy that would reduce Americans’ income, destroy jobs, and greatly shrink the economy. No amount of protections or rebates would save consumers from skyrocketing energy costs. And worst of all, there would be little environmental benefit to show for it.

http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2010/06/American-Power-Act-Oil-Spill-Does-Not-Justify-Wrecking-the-Economy
 
"While the skimmers should soon be in use, the plan for building sand barriers remains more uncertain. Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal supports the idea, and the Coast Guard has tentatively approved the pro-ject. One of the proposals being considered was developed by the Dutch marine contractor Van Oord and Deltares, a Dutch research institute that specializes in environmental issues in deltas, coastal areas and rivers. They have a strategy to begin building 60-mile-long sand dikes within three weeks.

That proposal, like the offer for skimmers, was rebuffed but later accepted by the government. BP has begun paying about $360 million to cover the costs. Once again, though, the Jones Act may be getting in the way. American dredging companies, which lack the dike-building expertise of the Dutch, want to do the work themselves, Visser said.

“We don't want to take over, but we have the equipment,” he said.
While he battles the bureaucracy, the people of Louisiana suffer, their livelihoods in jeopardy from the onslaught of oil."


I heard the LA governor being interviewed on the radio last week expressing the idea of the sand dikes, but saying he was waiting for CG & EPA approval. I wondered...(I do a lot of that while stuck in traffic)...the governor is the states' executive, the CEO the HMFIC, the leader. Where was this guy's leadership? Build the friggin dikes and tell the CG & EPA to pound sand already. You were elected to lead, well then lead. Worry about the lawsuits later, but your beaches and tidal low lands have been saved.

Deregulation of the oil industry brought about the rules and protocols that prevented the CG from steeping right in and federalizing the scene. Additionally once the scene is federalized I believe uit falls into the "you touch it, you own it" realm. Hmmm, imagine the oil industry being deregulated wonder how that happened.

The CG does not have some magic spill preventer or cleaner, there are cutters that are equipped with skimmers and some from the west coast are on their way to the gulf, but it doesn't just happen.

The Jones Act. My work with the Jones Act dealt specifically with passenger vessels. But how difficult could it be to flag these dredges under US registry and place a US master onboard. Just like the Kuwaiti tankers during the Tanker War of the Reagan Administration.
 
The Jones Act is used to protect (what is left of) the US shipping industry. Commerce between two US ports of call can only be conducted by US flagged vessels. Think Matson Lines SEA-HNL-OAK triangle and Sea-Lands former hold on all of AK barge traffic. US flagged vessels are required to have a US master and crew.

The cruise ship industry avoids SF Bay because they either sail all the way to Ensenada, Mexico or to Vancouver, BC before making a port of call. The majority of cruise ships have Panamanian registry. That's why the dinky 3-day booze cruises out of LA call on Ensenda and off the east coast the Bahamas. They have a foreign port in between the two US ports.

That is the small portion that I dealt with, cruise ships.

There are many sections of The Jones Act i do not even want to try and understand and I am unsure how it would affect dredges.
 
The serious downside of the sand dikes is it does not stop the oil, the oil goes right through it, slows it down some but it passes through. The oil does however have a thicker viscosity, I wonder if some filter boom type of setup could be dragged though the water and keep the oil in front of it while passing seawater and some kind of collection system.
I did hear they are using kevins costener brothers system and are putting it into production for bigger models.
 
The Vessel of Opportunity Skimming System was purchased with funds from OPA90, The Oil Pollution Act of 1990 a barn door closing measure after the Exxon Valdez spill. The CG's page is Here

The VOSS works really well if the Vessel of Opportunity is a 180' bouy tender, however the last one was decommisioned and retired about 6 years ago. The VOSS does work with other vessels, but just works best with a 180 footer. The 180' replacements, a 225' has a built in VOSS. The vessel tows a barge or dracone behind it to pump the product into and when full are towed to a processing plant for decanting.

The other system I am familiar with is OWOCRS (O-walkers) Open Water Oil Containment & Recovery System. I didn't get to see this system used much after VOSS because it is cumbersome to PM and "reload" the charges. When I left this career path with the CG (1995) there were about five of us on the strike team that had ever saw the OWOCRS used. Early in the incident when ADM Allen mentioned in a press conference that the seas were to large to contain the spill I assumed the OWOCRS had finally been phased out and retired.

The sand would slow the oil reaching the beaches and allow collection ( of the sand) for disposal. Slowing the oil makes clean-up easier but increase disposal costs because of contaminated soils.

All CG cutters & US flagged ships are equipped with Oily Water Seperators, the units are too small to be effective for other than their own produced bilge slop.
 
I think we should string up the BP BOD and use them as oil booms.

I'm sick of people shouting "Small gummint! Low taxes!" out one side of their mouth then shouting "SAVE ME! BAIL ME OUT! CLEAN UP MY OIL! HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN? BUT BY THE LORD DON'T STOP MY DRILLING!" out of the other side. How hypocritical.

Anyway it's a retarded amount of oil that bubbles up over a ginormous area and there really just isn't that much that we can do about it and huge amounts of it are still floating around somewhere underwater. You can't boom off the whole damn gulf and even if you did it wouldn't stop it from spreading through underwater currents. It's a royal fsckup of epic proportions, the price of which we'll all bear for probably centuries to come. There's no way to fix it. The only way to stop it from getting worse is to plug the well, which it seems nobody had a good plan for doing, for which IMO BP and the oil industry bear primary responsibility, while the feds bear a secondary responsibility for allowing the industry to behave recklessly, and the public has tertiary responsibility for paying more attention to Tiger Woods etc than to their elected officials.
 
I'm sick of people shouting "Small gummint! Low taxes!" out one side of their mouth then shouting "SAVE ME! BAIL ME OUT! CLEAN UP MY OIL! HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN? BUT BY THE LORD DON'T STOP MY DRILLING!" out of the other side. How hypocritical.

^ Couldn't agree more.
 

ALL ABOARD THE SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA TRAIN.........FULL SPEED AHEAD!!!

I knew there was perfectly logical explaination as to why Obama refused to let the 13 countries who rushed to help contain/clean up the leaking oil when the accident happened.

If this leak is really akin to 9/11, why did Obama have time to attend parties, concerts, golf outings, etc instead of pulling out the stops on a containment cleanup plan and engaging all available resources, with BP on the hook for the tab??

It's perfectly clear...... "don't let a crisis go to waste".

Use it for political gain and to further the Socialist agenda.

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President Barack Obama likened the disastrous oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico to the September 11 attacks in an interview published on the eve of his fourth visit Monday to the stricken region.

"In the same way that our view of our vulnerabilities and our foreign policy was shaped profoundly by 9/11, I think this disaster is going to shape how we think about the environment and energy for many years to come," he told Politico.com.

Obama said he would be making a fresh bid to get Congress to pass a major energy and climate bill.

He was quoted as vowing to "move forward in a bold way in a direction that finally gives us the kind of future-oriented ... visionary energy policy that we so vitally need and has been absent for so long."

"One of the biggest leadership challenges for me going forward is going to be to make sure that we draw the right lessons from this disaster," he said.

Obama said he could not predict whether the nation would transition completely from an oil-based economy within his lifetime but that "now is the time for us to start making that transition and investing in a new way of doing business when it comes to energy."

Obama travels Monday to Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida on a two day visit to a region reeling from the effects of the worst oil spill in US history.
On Tuesday, he will address the crisis in a rare primetime speech to the nation from the Oval Office.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.63a128958094fb519016d188cf557e83.101&show_article=1

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I think we should string up the BP BOD and use them as oil booms.

I'm sick of people shouting "Small gummint! Low taxes!" out one side of their mouth then shouting "SAVE ME! BAIL ME OUT! CLEAN UP MY OIL! HOW COULD YOU LET THIS HAPPEN? BUT BY THE LORD DON'T STOP MY DRILLING!" out of the other side. How hypocritical.

Anyway it's a retarded amount of oil that bubbles up over a ginormous area and there really just isn't that much that we can do about it and huge amounts of it are still floating around somewhere underwater. You can't boom off the whole damn gulf and even if you did it wouldn't stop it from spreading through underwater currents. It's a royal fsckup of epic proportions, the price of which we'll all bear for probably centuries to come. There's no way to fix it. The only way to stop it from getting worse is to plug the well, which it seems nobody had a good plan for doing, for which IMO BP and the oil industry bear primary responsibility, while the feds bear a secondary responsibility for allowing the industry to behave recklessly, and the public has tertiary responsibility for paying more attention to Tiger Woods etc than to their elected officials.


Please define retarded or ginormous on a scale of quantifiable measurement.

According to readily available data, I discovered that there are 3858 oil platforms operating in the U.S.Gulf. http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/06mexico/background/oil/oil.htm

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While this oil spill in huge, on the grand scale, it does not justify a total restructuring of our main energy source....nor does it justify passing legislation that will further cripple our economy and force Americans to pay more for everything that they consume.
 
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203863204574346610120524166.html

The guy who funds all of the organizations supporting and affiliated with Barack (e.g., center for american progress, moveon, mybarackobama, huffington post, etc.), George Soros owns MAJOR positions in Brazilian exploration companies where they have found oil off shore in deep water.

So magically, there are now 35 or whatever deep water drilling platfoms nearby, with no work, available for rent or sale. I think the phrase is "buyer's market".

Basically, Soros just literally orchestrated a fire sale of deep water drilling platforms to his Brazilian company while shutting down all US competition.
 
You forgot the rest of it:

EDIT: PS, if you question the "conspiracy theory" (I use quotes because after it's reality, is it really a theory?) long time friend and head of Soros' Center for American Progress, John Podesta, has been at the white house every day since the spill started. He's been giving the orders, and Barack just repeats them, google it.
 
Please define retarded or ginormous on a scale of quantifiable measurement.

According to readily available data, I discovered that there are 3858 oil platforms operating in the U.S.Gulf. http://oceanexplorer.noaa.gov/explorations/06mexico/background/oil/oil.htm

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While this oil spill in huge, on the grand scale, it does not justify a total restructuring of our main energy source....nor does it justify passing legislation that will further cripple our economy and force Americans to pay more for everything that they consume.
I heard on the radio that there's something like 5 million gallons of oil a month leaking. But the Mississippi is spewing 3 million gallons of fresh water in the Gulf every minute!

I'd have to look the numbers up again to be sure, but it was something to that effect. Every 2 minutes the Mississippi puts out more fresh water than the leak spills oil in a month.
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/22/judge-halts-obamas-oil-drilling-ban/

A federal judge in New Orleans halted President Obama's deepwater drilling moratorium on Tuesday, saying the government never justified the ban and appeared to mislead the public in the wake of the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.

Judge Martin L.C. Feldman issued an injunction, saying that the moratorium will hurt drilling-rig operators and suppliers and that the government has not proved an outright ban is needed, rather than a more limited moratorium.

He also said the Interior Department also misstated the opinion of the experts it consulted. Those experts from the National Academy of Engineering have said they don't support the blanket ban.

"Much to the government's discomfort and this Court's uneasiness, the summary also states that 'the recommendations contained in this report have been peer-reviewed by seven experts identified by the National Academy of Engineering.' As the plaintiffs, and the experts themselves, pointedly observe, this statement was misleading," Judge Feldman said in his 22-page ruling.

White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said the administration will appeal the decision, and said Mr. Obama believes the government must figure out what went wrong with the Deepwater Horizon rig before deepwater drilling goes forward. Still, the ruling is another setback as Mr. Obama seeks to show he's in control of the 2-month-old spill.

Democrats and Republicans from the Gulf states have called on the president to end the blanket moratorium, saying it is hurting the region.

Oil company executives told Congress last week they would have to move their rigs to other countries because they lose up to $1 million a day per idle rig, and said there are opportunities elsewhere.
 
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