the_chief
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do you know what they are, do you use them to make a living? just curious. please respond.
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trammel points
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Captain Ron
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1.) Yes.
2.) Sometime back in the 70's.
That's what CAD and FabriWin is for these days.
--ron
2.) Sometime back in the 70's.
That's what CAD and FabriWin is for these days.
--ron
the_chief
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wow, cad does full size physical layouts for you. :jester:
i use cad too.
i use cad too.
Fergie
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Some of our casework crews use them for the larger radius walls we have, and I've used them occassionaly, but not on a regular basis.
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Captain Ron
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the_chief said:
You may be using trammels for a different purpose.
Sheetmetal folks and Boatbuilders also use them.
It's not that CAD is used for physical templates, it's used to plot the points imported into CAM. Yes, we punch or laser the full size.
I used to use them all day, every day. They are the number one layout tool for ductwork next to a scribe and a straight edge.
I have a couple of sets in the shop, the inspection folks use them for making large radius check templates, and creating intersects to check complex surfaces.
The boat guys use them to loft with.
--ron
ZPD
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I have used them in my woodworking a few times
the_chief
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ron, yes, my shop is also automated, but i still use trammels for layouts. I was just gathering info about how many people use them, i came up with a pretty slick set I'm thinking about marketing (see patent thread) keep in mind i know absolutely nothing about patenting (or the importance of). thanks though guys.
if you're bored check them out. I would really appreciate some input from you guys. As a woodworker, most of our options suck, and are too damn expensive.
Again, I would really appreciate your input.
http://madmasons.com/trammels.htm
I am just your average joe breaking my back every day like most of you to make a buck, a few extra dollars wont hurt.
I am not soliciting a product here, just looking for some help.
if you're bored check them out. I would really appreciate some input from you guys. As a woodworker, most of our options suck, and are too damn expensive.
Again, I would really appreciate your input.
http://madmasons.com/trammels.htm
I am just your average joe breaking my back every day like most of you to make a buck, a few extra dollars wont hurt.
I am not soliciting a product here, just looking for some help.
Captain Ron
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Simple, effective materials, and a great price.
Something to consider... Accomodate round bars also. I have a set that cost a ton that uses a 2 section set of round aluminum stock that slip fits over each other, and has a precision drag. The trace trammel point has a vernier adjustment. We use them to trace on compound angle templates.
I'm not so sure you are going to want to pursue patents. I might be wrong, but design improvements on existing concepts are more difficult to obtain, and the most easy to overcome.
My first instinct would be to find an agent that deals in the market, or do it yourself. It seems to me that you'll want to sell as many as possible, as fast as possible. The home woodworker catalogues would be my first stop.
I think you'll find that many, just like the major purchasing for True-Value, Lowes, etc, will only deal with agents. If you've ever spent a week waiting in line for your 30 second pitch, I'm sure you'll appreciate what a good agent can do.
Manufacturer direct, i.e., you sell to the public is certainly one way, but it has alot of overhead in terms of effort, time, and headache factor.
But evaluate what your goals are... all of them.
--ron
Something to consider... Accomodate round bars also. I have a set that cost a ton that uses a 2 section set of round aluminum stock that slip fits over each other, and has a precision drag. The trace trammel point has a vernier adjustment. We use them to trace on compound angle templates.
I'm not so sure you are going to want to pursue patents. I might be wrong, but design improvements on existing concepts are more difficult to obtain, and the most easy to overcome.
My first instinct would be to find an agent that deals in the market, or do it yourself. It seems to me that you'll want to sell as many as possible, as fast as possible. The home woodworker catalogues would be my first stop.
I think you'll find that many, just like the major purchasing for True-Value, Lowes, etc, will only deal with agents. If you've ever spent a week waiting in line for your 30 second pitch, I'm sure you'll appreciate what a good agent can do.
Manufacturer direct, i.e., you sell to the public is certainly one way, but it has alot of overhead in terms of effort, time, and headache factor.
But evaluate what your goals are... all of them.
--ron
the_chief
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ron, i truly appreciate your input. as far as your first thought, i agree with you, but my design is more for the throw a piece of garbage in the clamp and go. i like the precision/machinist take, but that's step two. again, thanks for taking the time to review my stuff. i wasn't actually after a patent i guess, i just don't want the man to shut me down for infringement or what have you. cheers.
pm me if these could be of any use to you ron, i'll get a pair out and write it off as r&d.
pm me if these could be of any use to you ron, i'll get a pair out and write it off as r&d.
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the_chief
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ps, you sure do remember a lot of trammel stuff from thirty years ago.:jester:
XJedi23
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Layout guys use them in cabinet shops, especially in receptions.
the_chief
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XJedi23 said:
exactly, radiused die walls, conical radiused die walls, fitting transaction tops. tell your buds to take a look at my link above. (shamelss plug, but i'm goin' for it). anyone know the rules on this? I sure as hell don't see any conflict but please, warn me gently, I am fragile.
the_chief
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can anyone get me the O.D. of an exacto knife, the real one. a measurement that would alow the unit to go through the hole. (maybe measure if there's a fat spot, although i think the top is slim all the way. to the nearest 64th ish or decimal if you have your caliper out. thanks a bunch dudes.
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Captain Ron said:
.... the CNC router, which in turn will give you exactly what you asked for. Damn it, I hate when that happens. Sometimes, CAD won't help if you don't have any dims.
To answer the questions,
YES and YES.
A trammel with a router on one end is really handy.
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the_chief said:
One of my personal favorites, especially single panel, veneered inside and out.
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the_chief said:
For me, bad design. Why? They are too limiting, only a pencil in one end? What if you don't have a pencil? What if I need to use a scratch awl, a glass cutter, ink pen, soap stone(w/ or w/o holder), or a magic marker? To be practical, there should be "V" blocks on two identical assemblies.
UHMWPE is slick, the last thing I want is one of the points moving.
There are no pads on the ends of your thumb screws, tightening will move the setting of the scribing instrument and/or the beam.
There is no provision for fine adjustments. (eccentrically ground points)
What if I need to use them on a tube? Or a 2x4?
I use these. They are not the best, but they offer the adaptability I require.
I'm not trying to bust your chops, really. I have pointed out areas where your design does not meet my needs.
TIM
the_chief
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Bent said:
I took it as useful input. My newer design kicks the thumbscrew in 5 degrees so it presses your board into the back of the channel. yes, uhmwpe is slick, but the trammels wont move much. as far as using something else, i bore the hole at 5/16", i guess you could sub a pen with anything assuming you could hold it in place with a thumbscrew. I am going to make some with an opening big enough for a 2x? for field construction use. they are 1" throat now, which will handle a wie variety of material.
thanks for the input.
the_chief
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Bent said:
it's saturday, and you're making me think about a bad day at the shop. :explosion
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I used them in technical theatre alomst every day at work - they worked out real slick - the ones we had were aluminum and held a Carpenters Pencil.
The real big thing in scene design is to get away from the boring right angled junk - so circles were use all the time...
and with all the ripping of 1x12's into 1x3's we always had a scrap piece in any length we needed...
Your webpage sucks
Ill come up with something more attractive in a few hours here - just for fun.
what are you selling these for? (price - shipping included)
The real big thing in scene design is to get away from the boring right angled junk - so circles were use all the time...
and with all the ripping of 1x12's into 1x3's we always had a scrap piece in any length we needed...
Your webpage sucks
Ill come up with something more attractive in a few hours here - just for fun.
what are you selling these for? (price - shipping included)
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