The word "Redneck" ...

montanaman

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Hey ... just wanted to share my thoughts on this subject.

The word "Redneck" is starting to piss me off. I don't know why ... I used to use the word all the time without second thought. Growing up, I was never part of the "redneck" crowd, and never felt offended when I heard it or read it. I grew up with with a definite liberal bias.

Ten-plus years ago, I moved to Montana. My wife and I recently bought a big log home on 20 acres -- I feel like we're living the American dream. Some of my neighbors are gun-toting white guys who will never be college professors. Loggers, carpenters, etc. These are good, good people. They've helped us in so many ways, I can't begin to describe it.

I'm also aware that it's these same guys who are trashed as "rednecks" on TV. Turn on any TV program or go to the movie theater. Who are the bad guys? More often than not, it's Arabs or rednecks. Rednecks are always portrayed in some sort of idiotic caricature; an ignorant, racist, rapist itching for a bar-fight.

I'm beginning to wonder if perhaps this word is just as bad as the "N" word. Both words seek to subjegate an entire group of people. Both words are used to instill a sense of superiority in the people using them. People trash rednecks as "intolerant." But I would argue that's no longer true. Most rednecks today realize that was a wrong fight, and want nothing to do with it. And most southern rednecks today were never in that fight anyway ... that was their fathers' and grandfathers' fight. And if we want a tolerant world, it has to start in our own hearts. Calling someone a redneck is an act of intolerance.

My first real exposure to the redneck scene was when I worked construction (bricklayer's laborer) while in college. My first 2 days on the job, I thought I had wandered into Hell or something. But as I got to know these guys, I really grew to respect them and love my job. I was lucky ... I got a good crew. Very proud of their work and willing to accept *anybody* who was willing to work hard and learn.

I don't know if any of you guys are into politics, but are you familiar with the new Senator from Virginia? James Webb. He was a Marine platoon leader and later a rifle company commander in Vietnam. Later a lawyer, and former Navy Secretary in the Reagan administration. He was just elected Senator as a Democrat in Virginia. He's also written 6 best-selling novels, including "Fields of Fire" which is critically acclaimed as the best Vietnam-war novel ever written. He also wrote the movie script for "Rules of Engagement," starring Samuel L. Jackson.

His latest book is a non-fiction piece called "Born Fighting" that discusses the history of the Scotts-Irish ("rednecks") in America. It goes all the way back ... How the Scottish fought the British, how the Scottish influenced Britain's first attempts at democratizing their society, how they moved to Ireland, and eventually came to America ... how they moved down the backbone of the Appalachians and homesteaded some of the toughest terrain imaginable.

This book helps to put the "redneck" scene into historical perspective. He discusses frankly the civil-rights abuses in the south, and how many of the "rednecks" were drawn into a fight that wasn't really theirs to begin with. Rednecks in the mountains didn't own slaves. It was generally the old-school, British-descended WASPs on the large plantations that owned slaves. He talked about how two underpriveledge classes were turned against each other, taught to hate and distrust each other.

At the end of the book, he discusses the politics of the situation ... if a candidate ever comes along who can unite the bubba vote with the black vote, that will give the country-club crowd something to really worry about.

Anyway ... not sure where I'm headed with all of this.

Has anybody else ever thought about this? Anybody else find this word to be ugly?
 
only offends me if the anti n word crowd says it. If rednecks embrace their country rural hard working god fearing roots thats great. Redneck isnt bad in my mind by itself, i would only be offended if i hear a super liberal, pander to blacks, jews, illegals, and every "under represented group" you know some one that cringes if you say mail man. They correct you and say nooo its mail carrier, woman are post office workers also the word is letter carrier or mail carrier not MALE MAN. If that person then ever saidd redneck i would tear them a new one.
 
I felt kind of the same way for a very little while. I am one of those gun-toters but it has nothing to do with being a redneck, it's a personal choice for me. Why wouldn't someone who has been properly trained and is comfortable with a handgun not carry one?

Anyway, a few weeks ago I picked up this magazine in a gas station for cheap entertainment. After I read a few pages, I decided that it was a waste of $3.50, but had a few interesting points. The following is from that magazines website. If this is what a redneck is, sign me up.


Because of popular demand from our nationwide readers, we are starting a grass roots organization called the “United Rednecks of America (URA). We will not be “politically correct” when it comes to fighting for our rights and beliefs. We will also challenge any political entity who would subjugate our right to be heard and accounted for, including any affirmative action group that today deems fair to deprive any one group of people of their equal rights as we’ve seen done in the past by the likes of the “NAACP”, the “Gay & Lesbian Orgs.”, the “Atheists,” the Muslims, and anyone else whose goal is the extermination of Christianity including any other movement that wants to censure us for our beliefs, or takes away from all of us playing on an even plane.

The URA will always be a distinct group of people of all classes and races whose credo is basically “God, Family, Country & Heritage.”

Our nation today faces the greatest threats to its existence since its inception. We face the dangers of bio-nuclear terrorism, economic programs and political agendas that threaten our very existence as a world power, and ecological programs that will result in our leaving to our children a messy legacy of illness and pollution. Our single purpose in life is to change the course we seem to be taking; to do this we will not be swayed by the self-serving lobbying of the “special interest” groups…we will only listen to the needs of one group of people…and that is YOU!

To you, who feel like we do, that the attitude of our organization epitomizes the middle class conservative heart, soul and spirit of our American Society, we invite you to join us in creating a unified voice that will be heard across our great nation…Thus! if you really want to be matter and not be taken for granted, join us in a group that pledges to be united in only one cause, the needs of the members of The URA; thus our voice will be heard” loud and clear” and never mistaken.

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I think too often, groups of people are defined by a word, such as Redneck.

I'm a gun-totter. I believe in God, but can't stand Christians for the most part because of their intolerance. I support Gay and Lesbian rights. I don't support our president. I'm highly educated, but work in construction(in the field every day with the grunts) because I like it.

I wouldn't worry about the word, or the use of it. Most often, the peopl using it are ignorant, and, for the most part, you should have better things to do thatn worry about what others think.
 
Hot damn dude, get off the soapbox...most the rednecks I know are quite proud of the name. They're also quite proud of the south and the Confederacy. They aren't, however, racist or pro-slavery activists. Do you really think Jeff Foxworthy offends "Rednecks"? Hell no, they love his arse.

You're just having one of your liberal "well it doesn't offend me personally, but it might offend someone, sometime, somehow, so I'm totally against it!" moments. Don't worry, it'll pass, just look how fast the Cindy Sheehan fad passed =)
 
montanaman said:
Hey ... just wanted to share my thoughts on this subject.

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Anyway ... not sure where I'm headed with all of this.

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Sorry about the short attention span...:speepin:

First, stop thinking. Then stop reading books by folks too ignorant to stay out of politics.

Atleast in this area, the term "Redneck" simply means "Backwards".
Many Farmers appear backwards to City dwellers, and they litterally have "Red Necks" in the Summer. The conception that Joe Farmer is a bit slow is very old, and very inacurate.

However... Here is a "Typical Redneck" move. My brother in law, needed to put a hole in the wall for satelite TV. He didn't have a drill bit long enough, so he got out his gun and shot a hole through the wall (True Story!). Ingenious, true, but a bit backwards...
 
Zuki-Ron said:
Sorry about the short attention span...:speepin:

First, stop thinking. Then stop reading books by folks too ignorant to stay out of politics.

Atleast in this area, the term "Redneck" simply means "Backwards".
Many Farmers appear backwards to City dwellers, and they litterally have "Red Necks" in the Summer. The conception that Joe Farmer is a bit slow is very old, and very inacurate.

However... Here is a "Typical Redneck" move. My brother in law, needed to put a hole in the wall for satelite TV. He didn't have a drill bit long enough, so he got out his gun and shot a hole through the wall (True Story!). Ingenious, true, but a bit backwards...


Exactly, Dad grew up on a farm that wasn't even electrified untill he was a teen. There are many times when they'd have auctions in the area some hot shot would come out from an urban area thinking he'd take the ignorant, uneducated farmers (literally not knowing how to spell their own names) for for a ride. 99% of the time when things were done, the cityboys were the ones that got screwed.
 
Zuki-Ron said:
Sorry about the short attention span...

First, stop thinking. Then stop reading books by folks too ignorant to stay out of politics.

No ... you've got that one wrong. If you've ever wondered what it was like to be a grunt in VietNam, read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Fields-Fire-J...7743252?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174766454&sr=8-1

My father (who also grew up on a poor farm) did 2 tours in Vietnam and was wounded several times -- says he hit the nail on the head.

Some people don't like to read, and that's fine. But you read that book, I guarantee you won't regret it. It makes "Black Hawk Down" look like a stroll in the park.

Zuki-Ron said:
However... Here is a "Typical Redneck" move. My brother in law, needed to put a hole in the wall for satelite TV. He didn't have a drill bit long enough, so he got out his gun and shot a hole through the wall (True Story!). Ingenious, true, but a bit backwards...
Gotta wonder about the exit hole on that ...
 
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Hell I'm from the south and I'm a redneck. I have no problem of anyone calling me a redneck either. It says "redneck special" on the sides of my XJ. I think people stereo type certain classes of people with words that are used in a bad way such as NIGGER or SPIC or WETBACK and of course REDNECK. These words can be used to hurt if used the right way and thats why they are so SCAREY to say because if someone takes it the wrong way you just might get your ass kicked. I think it's a crock of sh*t that the world is this way. I grew up with just about every ethnic group out there and we always called each other these names and laughed about it but if someone used the word deragatory then it is being used as a way for the user to feel better than you or make fun of you and thus the reason that we can't say the "N" word but saying NIGGRO is okay. It's just like calling someone from the south a redneck, it's no problem but call them white trash and have your ass handed to you! Doesn't matter what race you are!!!! :peace:
 
montanaman said:
No ... you've got that one wrong. If you've ever wondered what it was like to be a grunt in VietNam, read this book:

http://www.amazon.com/Fields-Fire-James-Webb/dp/0553583859/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-7026847-7743252?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174766454&sr=8-1

Some people don't like to read, and that's fine. But you read that book, I guarantee you won't regret it. It makes "Black Hawk Down" look like a stroll in the park.

I would seriously regret reading that book; both of them. My plate is full enough without borrowing problems I can't solve. And that brings me to my original point...

My point was that you should stop spending time worrying about what you can not change. It appears that you have spent an inordinate amount of time doing just that.
 
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Zuki-Ron said:
I would seriously regret reading that book; both of them. My plate is full enough without borrowing problems I can't solve. And that brings me to my original point...

I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. How does reading a book or going to a movie mean you are borrowing problems? That makes no sense to me at all. You've never seen "Saving Private Ryan," or "Black Hawk Down?" (Two of the best war movies ever made).

That book I linked to isn't some "issues" book ... it's an exciting story ... reads fast. No big words. Knocks your ass off. Tons of firefights.

I don't see how that could create problems in anybody's life. You're saying you hate to read? Have difficulty getting through a book?

Sorry to hear you have so many problems on your plate right now ... perhaps a good book or movie could help you lighten up a bit.
 
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I've read that Book Webb wrote about his Vietnam experience. Great book. I'm retired Navy, so he was my SecNav for a while. I had a good deal of respect for him until a few years ago. He has also written books where the "hero" is intolerant of women, has sex with children and uses gutteral language not fit for a Marine or Sailor.

I grew up in a rural setting, though I lived in a small town. Most of my friends lived in the country. I don't currently own a gun, but believe in our inalienable right to own one. I consider myself redneck, even though I live in a nice house in a nice part of town. I don't own a non-running vehicle, but see nothing wrong with one on blocks (as long as you are working on it, not letting it sit for years).

I'm not PC by any measure, and everyone I know gets a straight non-nuanced answer from me. I hold lawyers, journalists, car salesmen and politicians in very low regard. Conversely, hard working men and women, whether farmers, construction types or educated folk, get a high mark in my book.

Anyway, I'm just a Kansas almost farmboy thats been around. I have my opinions that will mostly be kept to myself. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, just remember, theyr are like a$$hole$, everyone has one but doesn't mean I want to see it or hear it...
 
Mix yourself a Gin and Tonic and chill.
Real Rednecks could give a flying fig what folks like you think about the word.
It's like taking pride in being white and Southern, folks that ain't take it and tweek it all to hell because deep down they hate'em or at least think them inferior.
Just my 2 cents.
 
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