Sharia is the solution.....how could I have missed it?

XJEEPER said:
You will....that our sitting judges and elected officials will be unyeilding to the pressures of political correctness and the pressure to compromise the US Constitution, of which our legal system is based, to honor the will of the growing Muslim population in the US and their desire to live under sharia?

I hope you are right............acknowledment of the design and pattern that has taken place in the EU is key to preventing it from occurring in the US.
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Indonesia is the nation with the largest Muslim poplation on Earth.

There is a grass roots movement going on there AGAINST the codification of Sharia into local legal systems (as some local leaders are, or have successfully done).


If tens of millions of Muslims in Indoensia are openly rejecting Sharia, what makes you think that a meaningful proportion of Muslims in the US have a "desire to live" under the extreme elements of some forms of Sharia?
 
The University of Indonesia's Women's Research Graduate Program conducted a study in October 1998. It surveyed 200 mothers, 100 living in an urban community in Jakarta and 100 living in a rural area in West Java.

According to the study, of 100 mothers in the Kemayoran community in Jakarta, 97 percent of their female children had been circumcised.

The 100 mothers surveyed from the rural West Java community of Cijeruk said 100 percent of their female children had been circumcised. Traditional birth attendants (TBAs) performed the procedure using small scissors, a razor blade or even a small piece of sharpened bamboo.


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ocean_jet said:
Well...

I will then... the US legal system is in no danger of being overtaken or supersceded by Sharia law.
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You can will all you want, but I'm going to let the facts speak for themselves.......


Shariah Law and American Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases

CENTER FOR SECURITY POLICY
May 20, 2011
"This study evaluates published appellate legal cases that involved “conflict of law” issues between Shariah (Islamic law) and American state law. For every case in this sample drawn from published appellate legal cases, there are innumerable cases at the trial level that remain unnoticed except by the participants. Thus, this report is a only a sample of possible cases—a “tip of the iceberg”—of legal cases involving Shariah in local, state and federal courts.

Our findings suggest that Shariah law has entered into state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy. The facts are the facts: some judges are making decisions deferring to Shariah law even when those decisions conflict with Constitutional protections. This is a serious issue and should be a subject of public debate and engagement by policymakers."

http://shariahinamericancourts.com/...aw_And_American_State_Courts_1.4_06212011.pdf


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XJEEPER said:
You can will all you want, but I'm going to let the facts speak for themselves.......


Shariah Law and American Courts: An Assessment of State Appellate Court Cases

CENTER FOR SECURITY POLICY
May 20, 2011
"This study evaluates published appellate legal cases that involved “conflict of law” issues between Shariah (Islamic law) and American state law. For every case in this sample drawn from published appellate legal cases, there are innumerable cases at the trial level that remain unnoticed except by the participants. Thus, this report is a only a sample of possible cases—a “tip of the iceberg”—of legal cases involving Shariah in local, state and federal courts.

Our findings suggest that Shariah law has entered into state court decisions, in conflict with the Constitution and state public policy. The facts are the facts: some judges are making decisions deferring to Shariah law even when those decisions conflict with Constitutional protections. This is a serious issue and should be a subject of public debate and engagement by policymakers."

http://shariahinamericancourts.com/...aw_And_American_State_Courts_1.4_06212011.pdf


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XJEEPER said:
Point: Without reading the entire passage to gain context, one is left to base their opinion on assumption of the true message of one verse.
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So, it's safe to assume you've read the entire 635 page report, and aren't just pulling tidbits from the summary.




Read the first several cases. Most include a PRE-MARITAL agreement that the court refused to ignore (since they didn't break any US law), or a international court ruling where the US court may have no juristiction.

Neither represent cases where Sharia SUPERCEDED US Constitution.

(In fairness, haven't read the entire 635 page report... but can say, the first 5 of what they call the top 20 cases... and with the exception of the restraining order that wasn't granted, but later granted by the appelate court... none to me seem like anything to fear... none seem to me like Sharia superseding the US Constitution. And in the one case where it was highly questionable, the appelate court did its job.)

I'll read more of the top 20 cases later.
 
XJEEPER said:
The University of Indonesia's Women's Research Graduate Program conducted a study in October 1998. It surveyed 200 mothers, 100 living in an urban community in Jakarta and 100 living in a rural area in West Java.

According to the study, of 100 mothers in the Kemayoran community in Jakarta, 97 percent of their female children had been circumcised.

The 100 mothers surveyed from the rural West Java community of Cijeruk said 100 percent of their female children had been circumcised. Traditional birth attendants (TBAs) performed the procedure using small scissors, a razor blade or even a small piece of sharpened bamboo.


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In May 1998, Suharto, who had riules indonesia for 30 years under a corrput regime, resigned.

I am not sure if attitudes immediately following 30 years of corrupt rule are the same as they are now 13 years later.... they had two presidents since WWII... and finally in 2004 ad their first presidential election. Indonesia is a very differnt place now than it was in 1998.

http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=93628

"Across Indonesia approximately 12 percent of female babies born in hospitals, birthing centres or assisted by government midwives have been circumcised, a figure that excludes FGM/C procedures done outside such facilities, Uddin said. "



12% is still unaccepltably high... but I think the article paints a picture of widespread changing of attitude since that 1998 survey.
 
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ocean_jet said:
So, it's safe to assume you've read the entire 635 page report, and aren't just pulling tidbits from the summary.




Read the first several cases. Most include a PRE-MARITAL agreement that the court refused to ignore (since they didn't break any US law), or a international court ruling where the US court may have no juristiction.

Neither represent cases where Sharia SUPERCEDED US Constitution.

(In fairness, haven't read the entire 635 page report... but can say, the first 5 of what they call the top 20 cases... and with the exception of the restraining order that wasn't granted, but later granted by the appelate court... none to me seem like anything to fear... none seem to me like Sharia superseding the US Constitution. And in the one case where it was highly questionable, the appelate court did its job.)

I'll read more of the top 20 cases later.
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I read enough of the report to identify it as supporting evidence as to how Sharia has crept into our court systems. This isn't an isolated report and note that the entire report is a summary of reviewed court cases.

Many Muslims come to the US to escape Sharia law, but there are Muslim clerical leaders within the US who are openly promoting and ruling with Sharia within their communities.

From the report:

"Shariah is distinctly different from other religious laws, like Jewish law and Catholic Canon, and distinctly different from other secular foreign laws. This distinction rests in the fundamental Shariah doctrine that Islamic law must rule supreme in any jurisdiction where Muslims reside. In the case where Muslims are few, they are permitted to comply as minimally necessary with the secular “law of the land,” but according to authoritative and still quite extant Shariah law, Muslim adherents to this legal doctrine may not accept secular or local laws as superior to or even equal to Shariah’s dictates. This creates an explicit doctrine to introduce Shariah law and replace U.S. legal systems with Shariah for the local Muslim population."​


In America, We the People are governed by the laws under the US Constitution. Islamic law should not even be an option, nor should there be ANY consideration for Islamic law to superceed US law in the US Court System. This report proves without any doubts that this problem exists.

You keep bringing up fear.....why? Fear is a tool used against the ignorant.

I don't provide documentation on these subjects to make people afraid, but to educate on what I have discovered. You don't have to agree with it, but your disagreement doesn't make it untrue.
 
ocean_jet said:
In May 1998, Suharto, who had riules indonesia for 30 years under a corrput regime, resigned.

I am not sure if attitudes immediately following 30 years of corrupt rule are the same as they are now 13 years later.... they had two presidents since WWII... and finally in 2004 ad their first presidential election. Indonesia is a very differnt place now than it was in 1998.

http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=93628

"Across Indonesia approximately 12 percent of female babies born in hospitals, birthing centres or assisted by government midwives have been circumcised, a figure that excludes FGM/C procedures done outside such facilities, Uddin said. "



12% is still unaccepltably high... but I think the article paints a picture of widespread changing of attitude since that 1998 survey.
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Glad they are working to change the attitude regarding FGM. Hopefully this campaign also dramatically reduces the number of women subjected to FGM at the time just prior to marriage.

It's a barbaric procedure, but I doubt it will stop anytime soon because of the indoctrination in the Muslim culture that FGM somehow make a woman clean. From your linked article.......

It is hard to tell what impact, if any, government action will have on people like grandmother Dede Jafar, who had never heard of the ban but does not like it.

“That is so sad because Muslims have to be clean,” she said, sitting outside her home with her 10-month-old granddaughter who was cut eight months ago. Jafar noted that every woman in her family has undergone the procedure.

"Even if it is forbidden, we still have to find someone to do it. It is obligatory. We should always try to find someone to do it for us, because we have to.”
 
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True enough, fear is used as a tool...The "Center for Security Policy" was founded in 88, and sources many of its "findings" thru Israeli think tanks. It may brand itself as "non-partisan", but, really, please....The U.S. Constitution and legal system are as much under a threat of Sharia as they are dandruff...
 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de_P2aUZJyA
 
Look, I'll go on record to state that Sharia Law rubs me the wrong way; it disgusts me in fact (I was outraged by the story in the CNN link); however, Egypt, Libya and Syria are NOT America. If you want them to be just like you than invade them and fold them into the united states. Otherwise, let them solve their own political problems while you solve yours. Last time I checked, some of your politicians wanted to strip women of their rights along with minority groups (gays, etc...). That sounds allot like strict religious values infringing on individual liberties.
 
Your comments show your ignorance regarding what is taking place around the world, as well as in the US.
http://www.meforum.org/3151/muslim-brotherhood-world-mastership


BTW, this is from your home town....... http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57367996/family-in-canada-guilty-of-honor-killings/

"It is difficult to conceive of a more despicable, more heinous crime ... the apparent reason behind these cold-blooded, shameful murders was that the four completely innocent victims offended your completely twisted concept of honor ... that has absolutely no place in any civilized society."
Judge Robert Maranger
 
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These Sharia practicing killers are from Ontario, you've lived/do live in Ontario?

You prove my point, yet again........ even when you agree with me, you have to twist it so you appear to be right.
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XJEEPER said:
Your comments show your ignorance regarding what is taking place around the world, as well as in the US.
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Just curious....how much time have you spent outside the US? :patriot:
 
XJEEPER said:
Does my trip to Tijuana count? :D
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No....that place is helll.

Although this has nothing to do with the thread or sharia, you really need to get out and see the world for yourself.....make your appreciation for others and what we have come to light.
 
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