Sharia is the solution.....how could I have missed it?

[AIbandit]

I truly feel sorry for you. It must be extremely depressing to have nothing to look forward to.

I know this wasn't addressed to me but here's my take.

It does take strength, some days more than others.

The realization that the time to enjoy is now, not later is a great thing as well.


As for prayer I too will pray for you, MHNATY.

Oh and cherbear
:guitar:

 

[Crawler]

Muslims Ready To Enforce Sharia Law In London...

From:
http://www.therightscoop.com/muslims-ready-to-enforce-sharia-law-in-london/

"A surprisingly good report by RT exposing the threat of Sharia in parts of London where
Muslim Islamists already have hordes of men ready to enforce Sharia in their communities:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6CHtGGo4g


Islam is not just a religion as it masquerades, but rather a theocratic system of law that
has a religious component that stands in direct opposition to freedom, which is exactly what
these Muslims want to implement in London. And sadly, this will be the politically correct
future of America if we don’t continue to stand against this very real threat of Islam."

 

[XJEEPER]

Latest stats on Pakistani honor killings, rapes and mutilations.


http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/p...-aimed-at-preserving-the-honor-of-male-r.html

 

[ocean_jet]

Haven't heard of any Christians kidnapping Muslims and raping and/or kidnapping them to force them to covert to Islam.....weird.

That's a straw man relative to the points made in the article... an article which directly addresses the concerns you identified at the start of this thread.... that of the supposed threat of Sharia gaining any sort of traction in the US legal system, and potential for Sharia to superscede the Constitution.

 

[ocean_jet]

Point: Without reading the entire passage to gain context, one is left to base their opinion on assumption of the true message of one verse.

So, it's safe to assume you've read the Quran and all the hadith in their entirety???

 

[XJEEPER]

So, it's safe to assume you've read the Quran and all the hadith in their entirety???

Can't say I've read both in their in their entirety, however I have studied both.

 

[ocean_jet]

Can't say I've read both in their in their entirety, however I have studied both.

So then you are aware that the Quran is very clear that Christians and Jews are to be considered "brothers of the book", and are considered allies of Islam? You are also aware that the Quran does NOT call for the indiscriminate killing of non-believers... and actually that killing non-believers requires significant burdens to be met, and even then is considered to NOT be the best course of action in any case?

 

[XJEEPER]

I am aware of this and agree, all believers of Allah or their religions recognized diety are considered brothers of the book and should co-exist and even inter-relate and inter-marry in peace.

So what does this say of those who promote jihad against non-Muslims and call for the death and destruction of entire races of people and/or their religions?

 

[ocean_jet]

I am aware of this and agree, all believers of Allah or their religions recognized diety are considered brothers of the book and should co-exist and even inter-relate and inter-marry in peace.

So what does this say of those who promote jihad against non-Muslims and call for the death and destruction of entire races of people and/or their religions?

to me...

it says some people are just plain evil.

it says they are terrorists who should be rooted out and destroyed.

it says they are extremists who bend the goodness of what a religion is suppose to be in order to promote their evil.

 

[Darky]

Have you heard of the 9th Surah? that's where most of the calls to violence against non-Muslims comes from. Most of the calls to peace come from before the 9th. One of the big things with Allah, is that he can change his mind. He could tell you today that you must live in peace, then next week to kill them all if it pleases him. There is no way to know if you are going to heaven or hell unless you die fighting the Lesser Jihad (ie, the one that impacts us).

As far as the Covenanted people, Jews, Christians, and Zoroasters (no idea why), are protected as dhimmi, but must pay an extra tax and live as second class people. Further, Muslims believe themselves descendants of Ishmael, Abraham's first born son, born of his wife's hand maiden. Jews believe themselves descendants of Isaac, Abraham's second son, first born by his wife, and the son of the promise. Ishmael and Isaac did not have a chummy relationship, Muslims and Jews have carried that out as part of their religious beliefs.

 

[XJEEPER]

to me...

it says some people are just plain evil.

it says they are terrorists who should be rooted out and destroyed.

it says they are extremists who bend the goodness of what a religion is suppose to be in order to promote their evil.

Which also includes any who promote and support honor killings, stonings, forced genial mutilation of females, decapitations, the treatment of women as a lesser being, promote wife beating and slavery. Therein lies the origin of this thread.

 

[RichP]

Which also includes any who promote and support honor killings, stonings, forced genial mutilation of females, decapitations, the treatment of women as a lesser being, promote wife beating and slavery. Therein lies the origin of this thread.

True, and it's bad enough that people are naturally born and raised with this being ok, now along comes a major religion that is growing like mold in a wet cellar that preaches and says "Hey, this is OK, she does not matter, just think of those virgins once you get though this".
Makes me wonder what the woman get out of this whole deal. I guess they must breed for complacency in muslim countries.

 

[ocean_jet]

Which also includes any who promote and support honor killings, stonings, forced genial mutilation of females, decapitations, the treatment of women as a lesser being, promote wife beating and slavery. Therein lies the origin of this thread.

Of the estimated 5-6 million Muslims in the USA... how many do you suppose agree with such extreme interpretations and actions?

(We are talking about the threat of Sharia superceding established US law... that's what this thread is about... right? So, only the US population of Muslims is in question???)

 

[Darky]

I know the focus has shifted to the extreme side of things, but Shari'a is more than honor killings and rape. It guides every aspect of a Muslim's life, from what they can eat and wear, to what happens when one dies. The example used somewhere in the beginning of this thread of the former cleric at a mosque suing the current one over money earned by the mosque during his time is an important one. Just because both parties are Muslim and one wants to invoke Muslim law to settle a civil case, why did the Florida court choose to allow it? The other side brought it to civil court for a reason, isn't it that judge's duty to render justice according to our legal system? If Shari'a was wanted, then both parties would've agreed to it rather than bringing it to court and one being forced by the court to go along.

 

[XJEEPER]

Of the estimated 5-6 million Muslims in the USA... how many do you suppose agree with such extreme interpretations and actions?

(We are talking about the threat of Sharia superceding established US law... that's what this thread is about... right? So, only the US population of Muslims is in question???)

Feel free to speculate....... http://ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=51802

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julia-lallamaharajh/female-genital-mutilation_b_498529.html

 

[ocean_jet]

Feel free to speculate.......

Ok. I speculate that there is a very tiny percent of Muslims in America who support such extreme intepretations of Sharia law... and who insist on the practice of FGM.

Further, I speculate that people getting worked up over the prospect of Sharia law superceding any US law is well, simly put... fear mongoring.

Do you really think the US legal system is so fragile that it could be overtaken by a foreign legal system that isn't even widely accepted (the harsh interpretaions and actions) among Muslims outside the USA?

 

[RichP]

Ok. I speculate that there is a very tiny percent of Muslims in America who support such extreme intepretations of Sharia law... and who insist on the practice of FGM.

Further, I speculate that people getting worked up over the prospect of Sharia law superceding any US law is well, simly put... fear mongoring.

Do you really think the US legal system is so fragile that it could be overtaken by a foreign legal system that isn't even widely accepted (the harsh interpretaions and actions) among Muslims outside the USA?

Don't know about that but I do know that prison conversion to islam are averaging about 5,000 a year. Oh and it's the whabbi or saudi version which is the strictest of the them. While our legal system my not recognize sharia we are ending up with a growing problem of prisoners getting some rather interesting training during their awakening to religion.
A rather interesting read. http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/448/islam-in-american-barrios-and-prisons_converts-rec

 

[XJEEPER]

Ok. I speculate that there is a very tiny percent of Muslims in America who support such extreme intepretations of Sharia law... and who insist on the practice of FGM.

Further, I speculate that people getting worked up over the prospect of Sharia law superceding any US law is well, simly put... fear mongoring.

Do you really think the US legal system is so fragile that it could be overtaken by a foreign legal system that isn't even widely accepted (the harsh interpretaions and actions) among Muslims outside the USA?

I prefer not to speculate, but to listen to the words of those who are clearly stating their objectives and goals, as well as to look at the historical patterns that exist in the world.

This week during a speech in Scotland, Imam Rauf, (promoter of the Ground Zero Mosque ) stated:

“An essential element of this interweaving of cultures, he says, will have to be the incorporation of Sharia law into the legal systems of Europe and the US.” - Imam Feisal Rauf

Here’s some relevant history on the creeping of Sharia Law:

Sharia law entered Europe after WWII when the weakened European nations retracted from their colonies, bringing to Europe their former colonial subjects as both refugees and cheap labor from such Muslim nations as Pakistan (UK), Turkey (Germany) and Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia (France).

Initially, Sharia law was applied discretely within the small Muslim communities of Europe. But after two generations of high birth rate and immigration, those communities have grown to where the Sharia law now challenges the Judeo-Christian foundations of their host European nations.

In Germany, for example, Muslim men have successfully used the Sharia law in court to defend their right to beat their wives and to practice polygamy.

In United Kingdom, where Islamic imams now outnumber Christian pastors and converting empty church buildings into mosques has become a cottage industry, the Archbishop of Canterbury - the leader of the Church of England - recently stated that adopting elements of the Sharia law into the English judicial system was “unavoidable”.

In France, home to an estimated 14 million Muslims, including 9 million illegal immigrants, the government no longer controls the banlieus, the densely-populated, predominantly Muslim ghettos that encircle most major French cities.

It is still legal in France to distribute Bibles and tracts but doing so in the banlieus, where the French police seldom enter, invites mob violence, and even the legality is expected to end by 2040 when France is projected to become a majority-Muslim nation (The Netherlands will become Western Europe's first majority-Muslim nation by 2015).

Like some of its European counterparts, the government of Canada for years has been tacitly condoning the application of Sharia law among Canada's Muslim immigrants by sending multiple welfare checks to polygamous Muslim men who raise multiple families in Canada.

Recently, however, the Muslim community of Ontario, Canada's immigrant-rich province, sought to have the Sharia law officially and legally recognized by the government. After a fierce debate, the Premier of Ontario refused to recognize Sharia, at least for now.

But with Canada's Muslim population doubling in the last 10 years, the demographic trends favor a greater role for Sharia law in Canada.

In mosques and madrasas around the world, Islamic Imams preach about the need for the global expansion of Islam, and the strategy behind this expansion involves four phases that depend on the level of Islam's penetration.

Phase 1: When Islam starts to enter a region (e.g., most Canadian provinces and US states), it keeps a low profile. When required, it introduces itself as a religion of peace.

Phase 2: When a critical mass of Muslims gathers, Islam demands recognition of the applicability of the Sharia law to the members of its community (e.g., Canadian province of Ontario and US state of Minnesota).

Phase 3: When the Muslim population becomes a large minority, Islam demands incorporating elements of Sharia law into the host nation's legal system (e.g., Germany). This demand appeals to and exploits the egalitarianism of Western democracies and is often supported by "rogue" elements from the Muslim community that engage in or threaten violence (e.g., France and UK).

Phase 4: When the Muslim population becomes the majority and/or Islam gains control of a nation (e.g., Taliban in Afghanistan prior to 2001), Sharia law is imposed on the nation, which is then locked down against non-Islamic influences, principally Christianity. The ideal Islamic state is Saudi Arabia, where Sharia is the only law of the land and enforced without mercy.

 

[ocean_jet]

Well...

I will then... the US legal system is in no danger of being overtaken or supersceded by Sharia law.

 

[XJEEPER]

There is no separation of church and state under sharia. If your religion is Islam, then sharia is your law. There are communities within the US with a high concentration of Islamic followers, who are pushing for sharia to be recognized as their penal code, and not the laws under the US Constitution. They are arguing that sharia is similar to the 1st Amendment, this couldn't be further from the truth.

One of the main purposes of the First Amendment is to prohibit the government from establishing a state religion. But the main purpose of Islam is precisely to establish itself as the state religion. In other words, the First Amendment is un-Islamic. Islam’s reason for existence is to be the established religion in every nation.

The next time someone says we need to be more tolerant, more understanding, more accepting of Islam and Sharia Law, ask them, “What part(s) of the Constitution are you willing to abandon in order to accommodate Sharia Law?”

You will....that our sitting judges and elected officials will be unyeilding to the pressures of political correctness and the pressure to compromise the US Constitution, of which our legal system is based, to honor the will of the growing Muslim population in the US and their desire to live under sharia?

I hope you are right............acknowledment of the design and pattern that has taken place in the EU is key to preventing it from occurring in the US.