Proposed closure of 200+ CA State Parks! *URGENT*

[JeepFreak21]

Wait a moment here people.......did any of you vote last Tuesday?

What did you think was going to happen?

I'm looking for a link listing the proposed park closures....is there one?


Where is the money to run the state going to come from?
Lets face it, we lived (they ran) California well above our (thier) means, and now
its going to bite us in the butt. Less fire fighters, less sheriffs, CHP, less teachers, less
state parks.
Nobody wants to see the cuts made, but, once again, where is the money going to come from?
Think of your own household budget, if you don't have any money, what do you cut?

Just sayin'.......

Hell yeah I voted and hell no I'm not taking the blame for this! This isn't my fault!

Cut the funding to the parks by 50% and then double the fees if you have to do something drastic!

We need some damn capitalists in office. These politicians insist on running everything poorly or not running it at all.

Billy


Oh, and here's your list...

This means that CA will be left with a mere 59 state parks :mad3:

Schwarzenegger proposes closing 220 state parks

These are the 220 state parks, state beaches, state recreation areas, museums and state reserves that officials say would be closed under Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s proposed budget cuts:

1. Leo Carrillo State Park.

2. Los Angeles State Historic Park.

3. Los Encinos State Historic Park.

4. Malibu Creek State Park.

5. Malibu Lagoon State Beach.

6. Pio Pico State Historic Park.

7. Point Mugu State Park.

8. Rio de Los Angeles State Park.

9. Robert H. Meyer Memorial State Beach.

10. Santa Susana Pass State Historic Park.

11. Topanga State Park.

12. Verdugo Mountains.

13. Will Rogers State Historic Park.

14. California State Capitol Museum.

15. Governor’s Mansion State Historic Park

16. Leland Stanford Mansion State Historic Park.

17. Railtown 1897 State Historic Park.

18. State Indian Museum State Historic Park.

19. Sutter’s Fort State Historic Park.

20. Bethany Reservoir State Recreation Area.

21. Calaveras Big Trees State Park.

22. California Mining & Mineral Museum.

23. Caswell Memorial State Park.

24. Columbia State Historic Park.

25. George J. Hatfield State Recreation Area.

26. Great Valley Grasslands State Park.

27. Indian Grinding Rock State Historic Park.

28. McConnell State Recreation Area.

29. Carpinteria State Beach.

30. Chumash Painted Cave State Historic Park.

31. El Capitan State Beach.

32. Emma Wood State Beach.

33. Gaviota State Park.

34. La Purisima Mission State Historic Park.

35. McGrath State Beach.

36. Point Sal State Beach.

37. Refugio State Beach.

38. San Buenaventura State Beach.

39. Anza-Borrego Desert State Park.

40. Cuyamaca Rancho State Park.

41. Indio Hills Palms.

42. Palomar Mountain State Park.

43. Picacho State Recreation Area.

44. Salton Sea State Recreation Area.

45. Annadel State Park.

46. Bale Grist Mill State Historic Park.

47. Benicia Capitol State Historic Park.

48. Benicia State Recreation Area.

49. Bothe-Napa Valley State Park.

50. Candlestick Point State Recreation Area.

51. East Shore State Park State Shoreline.

52. Jack London State Historic Park.

53. John Marsh Home State Historic Park.

54. Mount Diablo State Park.

55. Petaluma Adobe State Historic Park.

56. Robert Louis Stevenson State Park.

57. Sonoma State Historic Park.

58. Sugarloaf Ridge State Park.

59. Brannan Island State Recreation Area.

60. Delta Meadows.

61. Folsom Powerhouse State Historic Park.

62. Franks Tract State Recreation Area.

63. Marshall Gold Discovery State Historic Park

64. Stone Lake.

65. California Citrus State Historic Park.

66. Chino Hills State Park.

67. Mount San Jacinto State Park.

68. San Timoteo Canyon.

69. Wildwood Canyon.

70. Angel Island State Park.

71. China Camp State Park.

72. Mount Tamalpais State Park.

73. Olompali State Historic Park.

74. Samuel P. Taylor State Park.

75. Tomales Bay State Park.

76. Caspar Headlands State Beach.

77. Caspar Headlands State Natural Reserve.

78. Greenwood State Beach.

79. Hendy Woods State Park.

80. Jug Handle State Natural Reserve.

81. MacKerricher State Park.

82. Mailliard Redwoods State Natural Reserve.

83. Manchester State Park.

84. Mendocino Headlands State Park.

85. Montgomery Woods State Natural Reserve.

86. Navarro River Redwoods State Park.

87. Point Cabrillo Light Station.

88. Russian Gulch State Park.

89. Schooner Gulch State Beach.

90. Van Damme State Park.

91. Westport-Union Landing State Beach.

92. Andrew Molera State Park.

93. Carmel River State Beach.

94. Fort Ord Dunes State Park.

95. Fremont Peak State Park.

96. Garrapata State Park.

97. Hatton Canyon.

98. Henry W. Coe State Park.

99. John Little State Natural Reserve.

100. Julia Pfeiffer Burns State Park.

101. Marina State Beach.

102. Monterey State Beach.

103. Monterey State Historic Park.

104. Moss Landing State Beach.

105. Pfeiffer Big Sur State Park.

106. Point Lobos Ranch.

107. Point Lobos State Natural Reserve.

108. Point Sur State Historic Park.

109. Salinas River State Beach.

110. San Juan Bautista State Historic Park.

111. Zmudowski State Beach.

112. Admiral William Standley State Recreation Area.

113. Azalea State Natural Reserve.

114. Benbow Lake State Recreation Area.

115. Del Norte Coast Redwoods State Park.

116. Fort Humboldt State Historic Park.

117. Grizzly Creek Redwoods State Park.

118. Harry A. Merlo State Recreation Area.

119. Humboldt Lagoons State Park.

120. Humboldt Redwoods State Park.

121. Jedediah Smith Redwoods State Park.

122. John B. Dewitt Redwoods State Natural Reserve.

123. Little River State Beach.

124. Patrick’s Point State Park.

125. Pelican State Beach.

126. Prairie Creek Redwoods State Park.

127. Reynolds Wayside Campground.

128. Richardson Grove State Park.

129. Sinkyone Wilderness State Park.

130. Smithe Redwoods State Natural Reserve.

131. Standish-Hickey State Recreation Area.

132. Tolowa Dunes State Park.

133. Trinidad State Beach.

134. Ahjumawi Lava Springs State Park.

135. Anderson Marsh State Historic Park.

136. Bidwell Mansion State Historic Park.

137. Bidwell-Sacramento River State Park.

138. Castle Crags State Park.

139. Colusa-Sacramento River State Recreation Area.

140. McArthur-Burney Falls Memorial State Park.

141. Shasta State Historic Park.

142. Weaverville Joss House State Historic Park.

143. William B. Ide Adobe State Historic Park.

144. Woodson Bridge State Recreation Area.

145. Pismo State Beach.

146. Armstrong Redwoods State Natural Reserve.

147. Austin Creek State Recreation Area.

148. Fort Ross State Historic Park.

149. Kruse Rhododendron State Natural Reserve.

150. Salt Point State Park.

151. Sonoma Coast State Park.

152. Border Field State Park.

153. Carlsbad State Beach.

154. San Pasqual Battlefield State Historic Park.

155. Silver Strand State Beach.

156. Torrey Pines State Beach.

157. Torrey Pines State Natural Reserve.

158. Estero Bluffs State Park.

159. Hearst San Simeon State Park.

160. Limekiln State Park.

161. Los Osos Oaks State Natural Reserve.

162. MontaIna de Oro State Park.

163. Morro Bay State Park.

164. Morro Strand State Beach.

165. William Randolph Hearst Memorial State Beach.

166. AIno Nuevo State Natural Reserve.

167. AIno Nuevo State Park.

168. Bean Hollow State Beach.

169. Big Basin Redwoods State Park.

170. Burleigh H. Murray Ranch.

171. Butano State Park.

172. Castle Rock State Park.

173. Castro Adobe (Rancho San Andres).

174. Gray Whale Cove State Beach.

175. Half Moon Bay State Beach.

176. Henry Cowell Redwoods State Park.

177. Lighthouse Field State Beach.

178. Manresa State Beach.

179. Montara State Beach.

180. Natural Bridges State Beach.

181. New Brighton State Beach.

182. Pescadero State Beach.

183. Point Montara Light Station.

184. Pomponio State Beach.

185. Portola Redwoods State Park.

186. San Gregorio State Beach.

187. Santa Cruz Mission State Historic Park.

188. Seacliff State Beach.

189. Sunset State Beach.

190. The Forest of Nisene Marks State Park.

191. Thornton State Beach.

192. Twin Lakes State Beach.

193. Wilder Ranch State Park.

194. Bodie State Historic Park.

195. Burton Creek State Park.

196. D.L. Bliss State Park.

197. Donner Memorial State Park.

198. Ed Z’berg Sugar Pine Point State Park.

199. Emerald Bay State Park.

200. Empire Mine State Historic Park.

201. Grover Hot Springs State Park.

202. Kings Beach State Recreation Area.

203. Lake Valley State Recreation Area.

204. Malakoff Diggins State Historic Park.

205. Mono Lake Tufa State Natural Reserve.

206. Plumas-Eureka State Park.

207. South Yuba River State Park.

208. Tahoe State Recreation Area.

209. Ward Creek.

210. Washoe Meadows State Park.

211. Antelope Valley California Poppy Reserve.

212. Antelope Valley Indian Museum.

213. Arthur B. Ripley Desert Woodland State Park.

214. Colonel Allensworth State Historic Park.

215. Fort Tejon State Historic Park.

216. Providence Mountains State Recreation Area.

217. Red Rock Canyon State Park.

218. Saddleback Butte State Park.

219. Tomo-Kahni State Historic Park.

220. Tule Elk State Natural Reserve.

 

[JeepFreak21]

HECK YES!


done it, and forwarded it. Is this on pirate?

Yeah, I posted in land use.
Billy

 

[Skullver]

OMFG that is ridiculous!! Some of those places are absolutely awesome, what a fricken joke that somebody could actually even consider this an option, looks like I am going to be writing some more personal letters. Do these idiots have ANY idea how much revenue some of these state parks generate? I grew up in Carpinteria and they rake the cash in EVERY summer(thousands of tourists), Leo Carrillo??/ Gaviota? I'm pissed, there is NO EXCUSE FOR THIS!!!

Hell yeah I voted and hell no I'm not taking the blame for this! This isn't my fault!

Cut the funding to the parks by 50% and then double the fees if you have to do something drastic!

We need some damn capitalists in office. These politicians insist on running everything poorly or not running it at all.

Billy


Oh, and here's your list...

 

[WebDog]

OMFG that is ridiculous!! Some of those places are absolutely awesome, what a fricken joke that somebody could actually even consider this an option, looks like I am going to be writing some more personal letters. Do these idiots have ANY idea how much revenue some of these state parks generate? I grew up in Carpinteria and they rake the cash in EVERY summer(thousands of tourists), Leo Carrillo??/ Gaviota? I'm pissed, there is NO EXCUSE FOR THIS!!!

So many places i love going are on that list!!!

I can second what you say about Carpinteria, I live off of the street that enters the state beach and every night coming home there is tons of RV's and Campers headed in for the night. It seems to be packed all the time.

I think they need to cut other things, Like the proposed subway in LA. They are going to waste so much money on it, and now they are going to start drilling for an environmental impact test.

 

[Skullver]

So many places i love going are on that list!!!

I can second what you say about Carpinteria, I live off of the street that enters the state beach and every night coming home there is tons of RV's and Campers headed in for the night. It seems to be packed all the time.

I think they need to cut other things, Like the proposed subway in LA. They are going to waste so much money on it, and now they are going to start drilling for an environmental impact test.

nice place to live! My mom(and where I grew up, CHS class of '92) is on the corner of 8th and walnut in the big brown house, and my dad lives down off of 4th street. Carp is a nice place for sure, just couldn't quite afford to buy a pad there, I am in town all the time though, we'll have to have a cup of joe some time!
Chris

 

[WebDog]

nice place to live! My mom(and where I grew up, CHS class of '92) is on the corner of 8th and walnut in the big brown house, and my dad lives down off of 4th street. Carp is a nice place for sure, just couldn't quite afford to buy a pad there, I am in town all the time though, we'll have to have a cup of joe some time!
Chris

You talking about the brown house with the open 3 parking spots, and the electric car?

We are in the condo's on the end of 8th across the street from CHS next to the creek (got a good deal on a rental and pay the same as we where in ventura). I'm driving around in this rig so its hard to miss - http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/3530873823_d2c244fea8.jpg
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Back on topic, Wont closing the parks lose the state more income then it costs to run?

You figure all the cities are going to lose out on food, ent, and other sales.

 

[Skullver]

You talking about the brown house with the open 3 parking spots, and the electric car?

We are in the condo's on the end of 8th across the street from CHS next to the creek (got a good deal on a rental and pay the same as we where in ventura). I'm driving around in this rig so its hard to miss - http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/3530873823_d2c244fea8.jpg
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Back on topic, Wont closing the parks lose the state more income then it costs to run?

You figure all the cities are going to lose out on food, ent, and other sales.

yep, that is the one(had some crazy parties on the deck on top of the carport before I knew any better), my sister lives in the back house with her daughter as well. That is actually the junior high school you live across from, know the area well, lived in Carp for 28 years or so.

Cool rig, I'll watch for you next time I am in town.


I simply cannot see how this is even a valid proposal, how is it going to save any money(and as you mention counteract the millions in lost revenue)? Not like the park rangers are bringing home 6 figures, they live in mobile homes next to the sewer plant in carp.....


I think(and hope) it is merely a scare tactic, but taking it seriously at this point.

 

[5-90]

So many places i love going are on that list!!!

I can second what you say about Carpinteria, I live off of the street that enters the state beach and every night coming home there is tons of RV's and Campers headed in for the night. It seems to be packed all the time.

I think they need to cut other things, Like the proposed subway in LA. They are going to waste so much money on it, and now they are going to start drilling for an environmental impact test.

Subway in LA? The city is about as stable as a Jell-O mould, why for do they want to tunnel under it? Talk about wasting money...

LA should be decentralised and dispersed anyhow - there's no logistical reason that city should continue to exist, and I seem to want to recall it being about 18 hours away from starvation at pretty much any given time.

 

[jeeperjohn]

Until people (politicians) wake up and smell the putrid rotten coffee, and realize the only way to dig ourselves out of this pit of debt those asshole elected officials have put us in, is to cut all but the most essential public services, like police, fire, public trans etc. then we will continue to be cut in things we care about. First we should get rid of welfare and most other social programs. Government has no business being a sugar daddy to lazy, worthless people who have no desire to contribute to society. Note that I wouldn't cut these things out completely but I would eliminate if for those who are not trying to better themselves. Next we should shore up the borders tighter than a frogs ass and make it very unpleasant to be an illegal alien in our society. They have no right to consume public resources, period!! I don't care what their gawdamn sob story is, they are not americans and therefore have no right to money that came from our taxes. We should cut all but the most critical research programs, we should trim the fat at all levels of government. If they need to trim the parks budget, then they should only trim those parks that do not bring in enough money to cover operating costs. If that means some of the parks I like to use get cut, then so be it. We should invest our tax dollars in ways that will actually stimulate commerce, because commerce is what makes our society function. But none of this can happen unless it is demanded by the people who are meant to have control of our government-US!