Our oiling saga; how to keep a 4.0 alive on track-

Any reasoning behind why the baffle so low in the pan, lower than the stock front one?
The goal was to keep oil around the oil pickup itself. Our theory is that it was sloshing away from the pickup and sucking air into the oil pump (which we also experimented with at length to eliminate it from the equation). The pics are deceiving, and sadly I don't have any better ones, bit the baffles are staggered about half way up the walls of the pan.

-Matt
 
Back in '73... I ran a dry sump version Triumph Spitfire with the engine out of the GT-6+ as it tended to starve for oil on "high G" turns with the stock oiling system. Once converted, all that nonsense stopped. Shifted some weight off the front end as well. Which it needed.

Yours is a simple, effective solution. Nice find on the oil, have booke marked the site and will be looking to make the change over at the next oil change.

Are dry sumps legal?
 
Are dry sumps legal?
Not illegal, per se, but we are limited to a total budget of $500, excluding safety gear (cage, wheels, tires, brakes, seat, belts, driver comfort aids, etc). Everything else needs to fit under the $500 cap. This was the easiest, cheapest thing we could come up with, and it seems to be working.

Great read. The last video put a smile on my face.
Thanks! Here's another great video of the Jeep hauling ass, competing with a 1700 lbs VW running about the same HP as we are. And we weigh 3100 lbs, wet. Also, note the RADesigns R/T Shifter prototype that we've finally gotten dialed in and working great.

http://youtu.be/W3ny263BQk8

And just for fun, here's a shot of Goatman on track:

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-Matt
 
Very cool. I wish you had better pictures though.
Yeah, we were trying to get it all buttoned up for a race, and it's hard to use a Nikon when your hands are covered in oil. On our next rebuild I'll pull the pan and take some better pics. It really isn't rocket surgery, though. We just sorta winged it and used the drain hole as an inspection port to make sure everything cleared:

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Thanks! Here's another great video of the Jeep hauling ass, competing with a 1700 lbs VW running about the same HP as we are. And we weigh 3100 lbs, wet. Also, note the RADesigns R/T Shifter prototype that we've finally gotten dialed in and working great.

http://youtu.be/W3ny263BQk8

Who was that idiot (in the VW) ahead of you, did you know him from other races and did you wedgie him afterwards?


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Is an oil cooler allowed/in the budget? If so I HIGHLY reccomend one. Valve springs create massive amounts of heat especially in a constant high RPM enviroment. In our experience oil cooling on a RR motor is just as important as a good cooling system. The 4.0L is a huge Iron heat-sink. Just think of all the wasted surface area inside the engine that the oil comes in contact with and it's easy to see how one would help. ;)
 
if it's a $$ issue I probably have an oil cooler laying around I can put in cal's hands to donate to the project... not sure what the restrictions are there.
 
I haven't been following every bit of you're updates so you may have already tried a few of these things. As you've seen, wet sump oiling systems can be a huge PITA on a road race course, they can be as picky as a 1/2 quart of oil in either direction in some applications. I'm not sure how much room there is under your oil pan but making the pan deeper and extending the oil pump pickup to maintain the correct pan to pickup spacing. Adding a couple extra quarts of oil will help to keep the pickup under the oil level in the corners. Ideally the pan can be turned into a true road race pan with kick outs on each side and trap doors around the pickup. That's a bit of overkill though. The accusump is a huge plus to your oiling system. As Bryson mentioned keeping the oil temp down to a reasonable temp will to make it last longer too. Can you turn a factory AC condenser or tranny cooler into an oil cooler so it cant be added into your $500 total?

Do you still use a thermostat in your cooling system? Have you thought about using Evens coolant with an open cooling system? Would the rules allow you to turn the front bumper into a bit of an air diverter to push more air through the radiator and coolers?

~Alex
 
I'm not sure how much room there is under your oil pan but making the pan deeper and extending the oil pump pickup to maintain the correct pan to pickup spacing.
There's room, but that sounds like a lot of work.

Adding a couple extra quarts of oil will help to keep the pickup under the oil level in the corners.
We actually had very poor luck with over filling. It would just pour out of the valve cover, dip stick tube, etc. We tried a variety of ways to vent it while keeping the extra oil in there, but it always ended in blue clouds of smoke as oil would pour out onto the header. We just run a small catch can off the top of the valve cover (a qt oil can ziptied in place) that has been working like a champ.

The accusump is a huge plus to your oiling system. As Bryson mentioned keeping the oil temp down to a reasonable temp will to make it last longer too. Can you turn a factory AC condenser or tranny cooler into an oil cooler so it cant be added into your $500 total?
We already have a huge trans cooler and a power steering cooler up front, not a lot of room left. And it seems like we have the oil temps in check.

Do you still use a thermostat in your cooling system? Have you thought about using Evans coolant with an open cooling system? Would the rules allow you to turn the front bumper into a bit of an air diverter to push more air through the radiator and coolers?
We're good to go now with engine coolant temps. We just got the big boy Griffin Radiator for it and it was running 180-190 degrees in 100 degree ambient temps at race pace. We actually removed the mechanical fan because the radiator was so thick, it was a little close for comfort. We can't use the Evans stuff; water only in case it leaks onto the track. We could do anything we want with the front bumper, but I don't think it would gain us much.

-Matt
 
We actually had very poor luck with over filling. It would just pour out of the valve cover, dip stick tube, etc. We tried a variety of ways to vent it while keeping the extra oil in there, but it always ended in blue clouds of smoke as oil would pour out onto the header. We just run a small catch can off the top of the valve cover (a qt oil can ziptied in place) that has been working like a champ.

You can only add more oil to the pan if the capacity is increased by making the pan deeper. Just adding more oil to a stock pan will make it froth up and spit out the dipstick, like you've already seen. Making the pan deeper doesn't take much work at all. But, you need to extend the pickup the same amount. Adding small baffles on the sides of the pan will help in cornering.

I didn't catch the part about the new Griffin radiator. Sounds like you have the cooling system nailed down. If you wanted to add a heat exchanger for oil to water one out of a VW TDI looks like it will work on a Jeep filter adapter.

~Alex
 
Adding small baffles on the sides of the pan will help in cornering.
Done and done.
I didn't catch the part about the new Griffin radiator. Sounds like you have the cooling system nailed down.
I didn't mention the part about the Griffin because it cost more than I paid for the Jeep originally (wink, nudge). Luckily, it was heavily sponsored. ;)

-Matt
 
Oh, ok. With the temps and oiling system under controll it looks like your engine has a fighting chance.

~Alex
 
Is an oil cooler allowed/in the budget? If so I HIGHLY reccomend one. Valve springs create massive amounts of heat especially in a constant high RPM enviroment. In our experience oil cooling on a RR motor is just as important as a good cooling system. The 4.0L is a huge Iron heat-sink. Just think of all the wasted surface area inside the engine that the oil comes in contact with and it's easy to see how one would help. ;)

Ditto to this, have used oil coolers on all of my "toys" and have a sandwich plate adapter in between my engine and oil filter that sends the oil off to a cooler I've mounted under the Aluminum radiator on my YJ. Has worked very well and used same products on a couple of my Supra Turbos back in the day.
 
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