obama's community service plan

Obviously it's been too long since he went to college. Over my four years of undergraduate college, I spent between $3000 and $4000 just for books, and that was between 1993 and 1997. By now, book costs are likey over $4000 for the typical college student's Bacalaureate(sp?) program. Oh, and I guess that since this is a tax credit, students who do their service but don't end up filing tax returns don't get it?

How about we reel in the spiralling costs of primary/secondary education (dismantle the teacher's unions, cut and cap administrator pay and body count, institute real-world benefits and merit pay), and then use the mountains of surplus money to give students with good grades and/or community service a $30,000 scholarship to be used for education, with the option to spread it across four-5 years?

Higher education financial aid for U.S. citizens is a joke, and this is just another lousy punch line.

Took my daughter to the Art Institute Saturday for a look see. Got to the last show and tell and heard the tuition was $455 per credit hour. My Chem Eng degree had 190 hours. That would have been at least a $90,000 degree at that rate, and the entry level pay for her major is only about $32,000.

I think she sees the advantages of the local CC now.
 
I believe that a healthy educated workforce is the backbone of a strong economy and nation.
True, and if the system of education that was in place actually worked, we wouldn't have Obama as president in the first place because ignorance would be much less than it is now
 
True, and if the system of education that was in place actually worked, we wouldn't have Obama as president in the first place because ignorance would be much less than it is now

Funny I was thinking that if the system of education that was in place actually worked, we wouldn't have had GWB "as president in the first place because ignorance would be much less than it is now"
 
Then why did he score highest with highly educated persons?
highly educated means they have been locked up in an ivory tower avoiding practical reality, ie writing papers about socialist economics while avoiding the practical issues of 100 million starved to death in the last century

dems always get the highly educated (isolated) and the lowly educated (unskilled)
 
highly educated means they have been locked up in an ivory tower avoiding practical reality, ie writing papers about socialist economics while avoiding the practical issues of 100 million starved to death in the last century

dems always get the highly educated (isolated) and the lowly educated (unskilled)
lol
 
How did this discussion get into the definition of money and "educated"?
Both sides of this argument are digging trenches and settling in for a long (Four possibly Eight year) battle. Ready to throw any $hit they can find over the fence.
This is a perfect example.
Its no secret that I dislike Obama and that I would have rather voted for GWB a third time than him.
But when it comes to issues like this the difference we have here is where the responsibility lies.
I know that this is a heavily arguable point, but the major difference between rep and Dem is who or whom is responsible for what.

Who is responsible for "bailing out" a large bank?
Who is responsible for "bailing out' my credit card debt?
What is the difference?

I feel that a community service requirement should be something that a parent, or school, or principal should setup.

But I have serious problems with the president sitting in Washington saying that my child must participate in community service.

Its not Slavery, its not a civil rights issue.

Those of us that have participated in community service are proud of it. And will most likely force our children to do the same.

But the people that believe it is the government's job to educate and care for their children will say its a good idea for the government to do it that way they don't have to be the bad person that is taking away from their child's PS3 time.

Who is responsible for an obese adult? The obese adult.
Who is responsible for an obese child? The child's guardian.

Democrats and Republican and socialists disagree. but when all these arguments come up thats what I see us argue about.
 
I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately we live in a world where people don't take responsibility for their actions, don't teach their children the difference between right and wrong, or how to be a part of their community.
 
I agree with you 100%. Unfortunately we live in a world where people don't take responsibility for their actions, don't teach their children the difference between right and wrong, or how to be a part of their community.

Because so many people expect the Government to do it for them.
 
Who is responsible for an obese adult? The obese adult.
Who is responsible for an obese child? The child's guardian.

Part of the blame and responsibility also needs to go the FDA and US food industry.

It is my understanding they do not have the obesity problems in Europe that we have here. They also have much tighter control of food additives and content in Europe than we do here. The US food industry lobbyists have controlled the FDA here for decades now.
 
Part of the blame and responsibility also needs to go the FDA and US food industry.

It is my understanding they do not have the obesity problems in Europe that we have here. They also have much tighter control of food additives and content in Europe than we do here. The US food industry lobbyists have controlled the FDA here for decades now.

I'd also be willing to bet that Europe doesn't ban great workout supplements like Ephedra...

I believe the US WANTS fat people - they figure they'll die off sooner and maybe programs like Social Security will then fix themselves. Kinda like population control with diseases....but this time, with cholesterol and laziness :D
 
I'd also be willing to bet that Europe doesn't ban great workout supplements like Ephedra...

I believe the US WANTS fat people - they figure they'll die off sooner and maybe programs like Social Security will then fix themselves. Kinda like population control with diseases....but this time, with cholesterol and laziness :D

Unfortunately their may be something to that. Obese people use a hell of a lot more drugs for heart problems, diabetes, etc. It's all about consumers, sell them sugar, cause the problem, then sell them the solution (expensive drugs) to help with the problem. Ingenious.
 
Exactly. Why else ban a drug that causes GOOD (weight loss) yet keep one of the most lethal poisons LEGAL (nicotine)....its all about $$$ for the gov't. They make so much money taxing tobacco AND also regulating/taxing drugs to treat people once they develop lung cancer/emphazema (sp?). Brilliant, you are correct Ecomike.
 
Part of the blame and responsibility also needs to go the FDA and US food industry.

It is my understanding they do not have the obesity problems in Europe that we have here. They also have much tighter control of food additives and content in Europe than we do here. The US food industry lobbyists have
controlled the FDA here for decades now.



So, before the FDA... what did people starve to death because the government wasn't there to make people fat?
Its the same argument. "The Government didn't tell me that the food was making me fat"
it doesn't take a government official to declare that you are getting fat.

Don't get me wrong I feel bad for people that can't pick up their car keys. but it doesn't mean that I feel guilty for allowing them to stay that way.

Oh and Europe? really? You know that is a Continent right not a country...
 
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Unfortunately their may be something to that. Obese people use a hell of a lot more drugs for heart problems, diabetes, etc. It's all about consumers, sell them high fructose corn syrup, cause the problem, then sell them the solution (expensive drugs) to help with the problem. Ingenious.

fixed.
 
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