NAXJA vs Zombies

[bigalpha]

shush now. you talk like you've gone crazy.

 

[Darky]

Hey, don't start trying to spread no zombie rumors...

 

[bigalpha]

Hey, I'm not spreading rumors, am I?

 

[CherBear]

Do you guys really think we need all this armor? What kind of zombies can break through sheet metal? Id go with installing bars on the outside of the windows with only an inch or two in between them. Kind of like Death Race or whatever that movie was called.
I would rather shed as much weight as i could.
And the whole point of this was to see how you would mod your XJ to survive, not who could go to the nearest military surplus store and buy a slightly used Sherman for christ sake.

 

[bigalpha]

Do you guys really think we need all this armor? What kind of zombies can break through sheet metal? Id go with installing bars on the outside of the windows with only an inch or two in between them. Kind of like Death Race or whatever that movie was called.
I would rather shed as much weight as i could.
And the whole point of this was to see how you would mod your XJ to survive, not who could go to the nearest military surplus store and buy a slightly used Sherman for christ sake.

Depends if they are 'I am Legend'-type zombies.

 

[fscrig75]

Yea those "I am Legend" guys were messing a ton of sh*t up. They figured out of to bust into Big Willie's house and avoid all the traps he had set.
I love my XJ, but I would have to upgrade pretty quickly to a more armored vehicle.

Someone asked earlier about learning to drive an M1, usually the hardest part to learn is figuring out how to start the damn things. Honestly the first time I jumped in a M113, I asked where the key was supposed to go. Yea my squad had some fun with me about that.

 

[Darky]

I've been into the turret of the M1, but have yet to find a good excuse to climb in the driver's seat...

 

[fscrig75]

I've been into the turret of the M1, but have yet to find a good excuse to climb in the driver's seat...

You mean besides driving that bad boy?

 

[Darky]

You mean besides driving that bad boy?

Well, I should say I haven't found a good excuse to climb in there without getting jumped for trying to steal a tank. I install the MILES gear on it so that's why they let me in the turret, but don't think I'd be able to convince them I need to get in the driver's seat quite yet...

 

[Coastie]

Someone asked earlier about learning to drive an M1, usually the hardest part to learn is figuring out how to start the damn things. Honestly the first time I jumped in a M113, I asked where the key was supposed to go. Yea my squad had some fun with me about that.

One thing I love about the military is that there is a manual for EVERYTHING.

My friends and I were joking a few days ago about what we would do in the event of a Zombie attack and my plan was to take one of the cutters to one of the islands here in the great lakes. My friend brought up the point of how we would get it started and run it since neither of us knew how. Next time we went to the CGC Katmai Bay we looked and yup there are manuals on how to start the ship.

 

[fscrig75]

Well, I should say I haven't found a good excuse to climb in there without getting jumped for trying to steal a tank. I install the MILES gear on it so that's why they let me in the turret, but don't think I'd be able to convince them I need to get in the driver's seat quite yet...

Ah ok I got you, don't the brain boxes get installed in the drivers compartment? Thats where they go in the 113s.

One thing I love about the military is that there is a manual for EVERYTHING.

Yea for tracked vehicle it wouldn't be to big of a deal to read the manual to figure out how to start and drive it.
I'm not sure I would trust anyone reading the manual about how to start and drive one of your boats.

 

[tbburg]

Do you guys really think we need all this armor? What kind of zombies can break through sheet metal?

My first post on the XJ: Armor the radiator: fast or slow zombie, you hit them doing over 15 mph, sooner or later the front end's going to give out. A thin fiberglass shell and a piece of sheet metal are all that's up front. Ever see what's left after a deer strike?

Id go with installing bars on the outside of the windows with only an inch or two in between them. Kind of like Death Race or whatever that movie was called.

Do away with anything that can be used as a handhold. Cover the windows with something it can't get it's hands through or around. BARS WON'T WORK! If they can hang on, you're screwed. expanded metal. either the grid size is small enough to stop fingers, or the fingers get ripped off(ever try to climb an expanded metal fence?)

I would rather shed as much weight as i could.

Better aim for low, wide, and heavy. Watch video of riots anywhere in the world. It doesn't take many people to flip a car

And the whole point of this was to see how you would mod your XJ to survive, not who could go to the nearest military surplus store and buy a slightly used Sherman for christ sake.

Hey! If most everyone's zombies, there's going to be a lot of armor sitting there for the taking. Why not grab a more capable vehicle?

As for the 113:

Thats why I didn't want the mortar version. With the 113 you can have 60s/240Bs off the side and one on the rear hatch, plus the .50 or MK-19 on the coupla, though I'd rather have the .50 cal.

That is the down side of the -106. The question is, are machine guns really that effective on zombies?

Yea the A2 version is easier to work on, but they are SLOW, unless you are going down hill with the air blowing behind you. (The latterals are fun though)

The tracks we had stateside were dogs, because they were worn out. A couple of them wouldn't hold 20 mph. The A-2s we had in Europe, on the other hand, would do about 45mph in stock trim. I had a -106 A2 that would do in excess of 55mph(messed up governor, god I loved that track!) and unless they made some major upgrades to the suspension along with the other A-3 improvements, 45-50 is really as fast as I want to go in one.

The "perfect" 113 would be a hybrid:
pack from an A-2(all mechanical)
steering gear from an A-3(can you say "pivot turn"?)
ramp door from the improved tow vehicle(armored view port)
fuel cells from both the A-2(internal, 90gal)
and the sponson tanks off the A-3(external, 45 gal each)

 

[SteveT]

Just saw this article the other day. Wow, 2 zombie references in one week...

Better inventory my MRE's, load some 9, and find the 00 buck (Mossburg 835 with the plug pulled).

 

[fscrig75]

As for the 113:
That is the down side of the -106. The question is, are machine guns really that effective on zombies?
The tracks we had stateside were dogs, because they were worn out. A couple of them wouldn't hold 20 mph. The A-2s we had in Europe, on the other hand, would do about 45mph in stock trim. I had a -106 A2 that would do in excess of 55mph(messed up governor, god I loved that track!) and unless they made some major upgrades to the suspension along with the other A-3 improvements, 45-50 is really as fast as I want to go in one.

The "perfect" 113 would be a hybrid:
pack from an A-2(all mechanical)
steering gear from an A-3(can you say "pivot turn"?)
ramp door from the improved tow vehicle(armored view port)
fuel cells from both the A-2(internal, 90gal)
and the sponson tanks off the A-3(external, 45 gal each)

The A3 I had in Germany/Iraq could run down Bradleys and hang with M1s on roads. Like you said I loved that damn thing! I had the needle pegged at 60 once, it was scarey! You've got to tighten up the track tension as much as possible and pray.
The only difference between the A2 and A3 as far as I know is the transmission. The A3 is all electric, which kinda sucked. It does have pivot steer, but you don't want to use that off-road unless it is an emergency, if you've never fixed thrown track in the mud go right ahead and pivot steer. I wouldn't take the internal fuel cells though, that takes away a lot of ammo storage area.
As for the machine guns, have you ever seen what a .50 will do to a body? Couple rounds will split that sucker right in half. The 60 or 240B might not do as well, but they are cool and fun to fire.

 

[Darky]

Ah ok I got you, don't the brain boxes get installed in the drivers compartment? Thats where they go in the 113s.




Yea for tracked vehicle it wouldn't be to big of a deal to read the manual to figure out how to start and drive it.
I'm not sure I would trust anyone reading the manual about how to start and drive one of your boats.

The main box goes next to the loader in the turret.

My plan in the case of zombies would be to stay out away from them. As such, I would want my XJ to be capable and dependable in rough terrain rather than durable for running people over. But then, things are different out here. We're a lot more sparsely populated than most of the country. I can take off into the desert from my house and be 10 miles later, be 15 miles away from the main population center here.

 

[CherBear]

After i looked up expanded metal fencing, i decided that i would still do the bars, then cover them with the expanded metal. It seems like its strong stuff, but i dont no how i would attach it to my XJ. Plus its also good to have a back up.

About the radiator damage-
I would be happy with what i have now. A big thick metal front bumper with a grill guard would do the trick. The only thing i might add to the front is a pre-runner type skid. I dont want zombie legs and arms being stuck in my steering components.

 

[tbburg]

The A3 I had in Germany/Iraq could run down Bradleys and hang with M1s on roads.

My A-2 could hang with the M-1s(the M1-A1s, this was the mid-80s) and flat out LEAVE the Bradleys.

...,needle pegged at 60 once, it was scarey!

yup!

It does have pivot steer, but you don't want to use that off-road unless it is an emergency, if you've never fixed thrown track in the mud go right ahead and pivot steer.

Never threw a track, never broke a track. I did a lot of maintenance on track, in the motor pool, so I didn't have to play in the mud. I think being able to spin in it's own length would be useful occasionally, and I'm smart enough to not abuse it.

I wouldn't take the internal fuel cells though, that takes away a lot of ammo storage area.

I'd keep the tankage. It's really not that big, maybe 3 feet out of the back left corner by the ramp.

As for the machine guns,

The problem , as I see it, is this:

have you ever seen what a .50 will do to a body?

That's a live body. They're zombies! You cut one in half, and you now have the top half of a corpse crawling after you on it's elbows as opposed to shambling along on it's feet. Slowed down, not stopped. Remember, it's head shot, burn, or decapitation. Hose a crowd of zombies with an M-2, and the only ones that are stopped are the head shots. the ones that don't take a hit to a bone won't even slow down! That's why I kind of doubt the effectiveness of a machine gun, hence, wonder if the loss of the "side" guns on the ACAV would make that big of a difference.

Edit: Hey Darky, next time you're fooling around an M-1, just ask the guy who pulled it in for you to give you a tour. It's not classified! 'Probably set you down in there and you can learn how to move it around in about 5 minutes, as long as you don't want to get fancy! 'Only 1 thing you need to know about an M-1(or any American tank) There's about 7 bazillion bolts that hold the tracks together(3 for each shoe) They rattle loose. The trick is to keep them torqued to about 300 ft/lbs, and check them once a day(all of them, and no, I'm not kidding! .

 

[fscrig75]

That's a live body. They're zombies! You cut one in half, and you now have the top half of a corpse crawling after you on it's elbows as opposed to shambling along on it's feet. Slowed down, not stopped. Remember, it's head shot, burn, or decapitation. Hose a crowd of zombies with an M-2, and the only ones that are stopped are the head shots. the ones that don't take a hit to a bone won't even slow down! That's why I kind of doubt the effectiveness of a machine gun, hence, wonder if the loss of the "side" guns on the ACAV would make that big of a difference.

My thinking was, if I'm driving an armored vehicle into an area with a heavy zombie population I'm probably not staying in that area. If something happened to my 113 and I had to move on foot, I would rather deal with half a zombie than a full one.

A flame thrower would be the best, but then the driver would have to drive buttoned up, thats a pain. I've been playing GI Joe for a few years now and have never seen one of those.

 

[kujito]

Remember, it's head shot, burn, or decapitation.

A few .50 cal rounds in the chest will do quite a bit of damage. That's an pretty big round, moving awfully fast. I have a hard time believing that they'd still be mobile/dangerous after taking a few center mass.

 

[Darky]

A few .50 cal rounds in the chest will do quite a bit of damage. That's an pretty big round, moving awfully fast. I have a hard time believing that they'd still be mobile/dangerous after taking a few center mass.

I'm with you on this one...a .50 cal round will rip body parts off.