List of companies associated with profits used to close OHV trails Local/National

[rockclimber]

No, you are. I did my first lead climb in 1973, no chalk, no pitons, no bolts, lots of exposure, how about you?

rating?

I can climb 5.9 and below all day with no chalk. J-tree? anything without chalk.

yosemite granite? tahquitz? **** that.

above that... it starts to get necessary. and every time it rains, it washes off...

 

[Fred]

I'm vanquished, nothing above 5.7. Too expensive a hobby for a poor boy. The guys that taught me did the first ascent of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison. They were serious climbers, not me. I was a climber for the Elmhurst Forestry Dept, I loved heights. Rappelling came naturally after doing burn outs on my hemp rope coming out of 100 foot trees.

The point was that chalk in the old days degraded the climbing environment, so a company making chalk bags signing an environmental statement, to a traditional Chounaird era climber, seemed to be somewhat of a contradiction. I get that the new chalk is degradable.

Jeez, all this quibbling on the internet is giving me machine gun legs.

 

[rockclimber]

I'm vanquished, nothing above 5.7. Too expensive a hobby for a poor boy. The guys that taught me did the first ascent of the Black Canyon of the Gunnison. They were serious climbers, not me. I was a climber for the Elmhurst Forestry Dept, I loved heights. Rappelling came naturally after doing burn outs on my hemp rope coming out of 100 foot trees.

The point was that chalk in the old days degraded the climbing environment, so a company making chalk bags signing an environmental statement, to a traditional Chounaird era climber, seemed to be somewhat of a contradiction. I get that the new chalk is degradable.

Jeez, all this quibbling on the internet is giving me machine gun legs.

I totally get it... and there are some places where chalk can't be used. Monument Valley for example, they don't get enough rain to wash it off.

and I totally get the old school thing, I climb trad mostly, try to avoid bolts at all costs.... but sometimes you need to chalk up. of course there is a line, I hate it when gym rats come out to the crag and tag all the holds on the routes with chalk and use huge amounts of it.

but cutting someone's rope for using chalk sounds a bit extreme

 

[Fred]

What, environmentalists aren't extreme?

 

[DigJeepsBrah]

pretty sure CA has the most breweries out of all the states. Hell, we have about 40 in this county alone.
but CO does have some great options, most of the ones you mentioned i've tried and like. I love the left hand milk stout, and yeti imperial stout.

Hmm..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_breweries_in_Colorado

:read:

:dunno:

:looser:

:yelclap:

!!!1

I LOVE BEER!! party1:

 

[DigJeepsBrah]

Just saw a Subaru commercial promoting some "leave no trace" program... As I am typically mildly inebriated and thinking too much my thought process was something like this;

"Seems kind of hypocritical really, a car manufacturer that is still yet to produce an electric car talking about leaving no trace. Mind you I'm not one for electric cars myself, as they still run on fossil fuels and are produced with hundreds of thousands of miles worth of petroleum products before they even reach the end user and the by-product of the unbelievably toxic batteries blah blah blah, this post crept into my head

Then I thought, gee... I wonder if Subaru has hopped on board with this whole thing.."

I don't know, but it would make sense. I've kind of always had a hatred for the Subaru crowd here in Littleton at least. Maybe it's because it's all 16 year old's that red line every gear to hear their blow off valves in their STI's..

When we got hit on I-25 last summer in my old lady's Subaru we took the insurance money and bought our XJ and a BMW for her daily.

 

[Vanimal]

Hmm..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_breweries_in_Colorado

:read:

:dunno:

:looser:

:yelclap:

!!!1

I LOVE BEER!! party1:

that says your ranked forth in numbers of brew pubs and breweries

I LOVE BEER TOO!!!!1! :cheers:

 

[rockclimber]

What, environmentalists aren't extreme?

Touche

 

[1-tonxj]

I think if they are going to close off the trails to motorized travel then they should closre it to hikers/bikers since if impact on the eviroment/nature is their reason for closing to 4x4 travel then they need to close it everyone since even hikers/bikers disrupt nature and have been known to start fires and cause damage also , which I'd love to see the response if hikers/bikers got shut out and Joe rugged could no longer come up here out of the city on Friday (clogging the highway up) in his Subaru with bike on the roof to play RUGGED OUTDOORSEN until Sunday when he and his siblings clog the highway up heading back to the city where their roads are all paved/maintained ...WITH SNOW REMOVAL .

It's also never the 4x4 clubs/groups we have to send search and rescue out for B/C they got lost in the woods pretending to be JOE RUGGED OUTDOORSMEN .

 

[DigJeepsBrah]

I think if they are going to close off the trails to motorized travel then they should closre it to hikers/bikers since if impact on the eviroment/nature is their reason for closing to 4x4 travel then they need to close it everyone since even hikers/bikers disrupt nature and have been known to start fires and cause damage also , which I'd love to see the response if hikers/bikers got shut out and Joe rugged could no longer come up here out of the city on Friday (clogging the highway up) in his Subaru with bike on the roof to play RUGGED OUTDOORSEN until Sunday when he and his siblings clog the highway up heading back to the city where their roads are all paved/maintained ...WITH SNOW REMOVAL .

It's also never the 4x4 clubs/groups we have to send search and rescue out for B/C they got lost in the woods pretending to be JOE RUGGED OUTDOORSMEN .

Coming from a person almost saved by a search and rescue team playing Joe Survivorman I'm just going to say when you have a jeep with a compass on the over head display and a trail in front of you, and constant power to a GPS unit it's difficult to get lost. :shhh:

 

[1-tonxj]

Was heading to the gym Tuesday evening and realized I had no more chalk , So the only place I could think of at 1930 was REI ...Well atleast it was a cheap purchase .

 

[rockclimber]

most gyms sell chalk.

 

[souske]

sidewalk chalk, and a rock to smash it with?

 

[1-tonxj]

most gyms sell chalk.

Most gyms do not sell chalk . infact most gyms don't want it in their facility .

 

[UnlimitedMatt]

Was heading to the gym Tuesday evening and realized I had no more chalk , So the only place I could think of at 1930 was REI ...Well atleast it was a cheap purchase .

How can you live with yourself? Every time someone shops at REI, a puppy dies.

I hope your chalky hands were worth it - puppy killer!

 

[rockclimber]

Most gyms do not sell chalk . infact most gyms don't want it in their facility .

Wait... What kind of chalk?

 

[souske]

Was heading to the gym Tuesday evening and realized I had no more chalk , So the only place I could think of at 1930 was REI ...Well atleast it was a cheap purchase .

 

[1-tonxj]

Wait... What kind of chalk?

lifters chalk ,which is the same as climbers chalk ...

 

[rockclimber]

lifters chalk ,which is the same as climbers chalk ...

oh.. I thought you were talking about a climbing gym... I was like wtf? carry on.