LED Flashlights

BBeach said:
My led minimag decides to not work well anymore so looking into something new.
Whats a good one thats pretty decently priced. Any bad experiences with them? Its mainly for camping, hiking, etc. Just a handheld one for now but I'm thinking about the head units as well. Anyone know if this is a good deal? http://westernmass.craigslist.org/hsh/283944290.html

for me it's nothing but Mag lites, I use mine for everything from workin on my car to spelunking and a lot of people don't know they have a lifetime warranty. I just upgraded to the led bulb for my 3 cell and it makes a heck of a difference, worth every penny.
 
I did the upgrade for my AA and it worked great for a while, now it wont stay lit and flickers, everything's tight too so idk.
 
I say go SureFire. I haven't worked with their LED units yet (although I do have a Dorcy 1W LED that I keep in my toolbox...) but I've got a couple of G2 Nitrolon and a Z3 Centurion, and they can't be beat.

Streamlight also makes good compact flashlights, I've got a "Twin Task" (Xenon incandescent and LED switchable) that works well.

The fact that they run on a "non-standard" battery is only a mild nuisance, and no nuisance at all, once you start ordering batteries from SureFire (the compacts from Streamlight and nearly all SureFire lights take CR123A 3-volt lithium cells, but SureFire sells their own brand for about $20 a dozen - vice $8 each from Duracell or Eveready - and the power density can't be beat.)

Maglights have their uses - but if you want good performance in a small package, it's SureFire first, Streamlight second. Both will beat a Mag by a WIDE margin, y'ask me...

And, the CR123 cells from SureFire are supposed to have a useful shelf life of 10 years. I haven't tested that myself, but I have to change batteries in my 3D I keep in my truck twice a year - whether I need to or now. The G2 in the glove box? I wear them out LONG before they discharge "on the shelf." The box of a dozen that I keep in there? I've gone halfway through the box in the last four or five years - and they're still just as good as when I put them there. Alkalines don't last that long in the fridge...
 
4x4ever said:
for me it's nothing but Mag lites, I use mine for everything from workin on my car to spelunking and a lot of people don't know they have a lifetime warranty. I just upgraded to the led bulb for my 3 cell and it makes a heck of a difference, worth every penny.

how much and where did you get them at?

I agree its a much better light beam, and less likely to burn out or me drop it and ruin the hot filament of the incandesant.

I got 7 of them at lowes at xmas time, they made the mistake of labeling a sign .... ALL 2,3,4, D-cell maglites on sale for $9.99. I bough 5 of the Led ones that were $37 bucks and two regular bulb ones since 9.99 was still a good bit of the $15.99 price.

I gave them to family (grown up siblings we dont do gifts anymore) so everyone would not have an excuse for some cheap POS dollar store lights.

How much for just a LED bulb conversion ? I have an "old mag lite" in every one of my vehicles.


BBeach said:
I did the upgrade for my AA and it worked great for a while, now it wont stay lit and flickers, everything's tight too so idk.

lifetime warranty. Where did you buy it at ?
 
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motorcityxj said:
how much and where did you get them at?

I agree its a much better light beam, and less likely to burn out or me drop it and ruin the hot filament of the incandesant.

I got 7 of them at lowes at xmas time, they made the mistake of labeling a sign .... ALL 2,3,4, D-cell maglites on sale for $9.99. I bough 5 of the Led ones that were $37 bucks and two regular bulb ones since 9.99 was still a good bit of the $15.99 price.

I gave them to family (grown up siblings we dont do gifts anymore) so everyone would not have an excuse for some cheap POS dollar store lights.

How much for just a LED bulb conversion ? I have an "old mag lite" in every one of my vehicles.




lifetime warranty. Where did you buy it at ?
I got it at dicks sporting goods, IIRC when i worked at sears there was a kit for them as well. Usually running around $10. It was well worth it and my friend has one where you dont need to replace the bottom with hte spring with a push button like mine. I may just go and buy the kit he has and put mine in an older mag.
 
Just dumped my LED conversion mini-mag for a SureFire L4. Not the cheapest out there, but the quality shows. Keep in mind that I use my flashlight every day during the week, several times, and need a bright, dependable, durable, bright, sometimes really bright, light.

JMHO

Rev
 
Bryan C. said:
Coast makes some good flashlights, I got one that is nice and compact, but it doesn't put out much light, only 6 LED's.

I bought one of these for work recently and liked it so much I bought a 2nd one for camping and keeping in the Jeep. One of the brightest LED flashlights I have come across.
http://www.streamlight.com/product/product.aspx?pid=24

coast ones have been on clearance at www.sportsmansguide.com for about 4 months. They have multi "bubl" LEDs lights that MSRP 80-120 for around 29-40 bucks


Coast™ LED-LENSER® Rechargeable Tactical Light.$29
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/cb/cb.asp?a=308919


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Yep, Surefire. The G2 Nilatron ones are the best deal anywhere. Maglites suck compared to these.

The LED bulbs I have dealt with in the other brands and bright and wide but not focused enough. Like really soft floodligh and have sucked for detailed work. Would like to try out the Surefire LEDs but they are a bit more $$$$$$.
 
Weasel said:
Yep, Surefire. The G2 Nilatron ones are the best deal anywhere. Maglites suck compared to these.

The LED bulbs I have dealt with in the other brands and bright and wide but not focused enough. Like really soft floodligh and have sucked for detailed work. Would like to try out the Surefire LEDs but they are a bit more $$$$$$.

well i have maglites for just general use, i am not a cop, fireman, EMS, security guard etc , or anything like that i have my maglites mostly as extra skull cracking weapon in all my vehicles, not because they are the greatest lights (though they get the job done and are good value for average consumer).
 
I've just swapped my 12-13 y/o Maglight to LED with Maglight's converion bulb. Cost me about $20 at Sears (just so happened to be there doing some christmas shopping) and made a night/day difference in it! Since then Dad and mt sister have them in their Maglights too (Does Maglight make one for the 5 d-cell flashlights by chance?)
 
I also have a surefire and love it. The only downside is the price of the light and batteries and then my batteries seem to die fast compared to other lights but you have to sacrafice something to get that light so bright. I can actually point my flashlight into a florescent light and see it.
 
5-90 said:
although I do have a Dorcy 1W LED that I keep in my toolbox...

I've never tried a Surefire, but I do own the same Dorcy 1W LED light, and I've been pretty impressed with it. It uses a Luxeon LED, which is probably used in any other 1W light out there (there are only a couple of companies that make 1W+ LEDs). Very bright, focused beam, and it burns for over 12 hrs on 3 AAA batteries. And it was $22.

The other light I love is a Petzl 1W headlamp - really useful for having hands free light. Burn time is 10-50 hrs on 3 AAAs depending on brightness settings. I know it seems goofy, but I end up using it more often than any other light (its really useful for wrenching on junk in less than ideal light).

And I have a couple 3D maglights of course. :)

-i
 
Slacker87XJ said:
I've never tried a Surefire, but I do own the same Dorcy 1W LED light, and I've been pretty impressed with it. It uses a Luxeon LED, which is probably used in any other 1W light out there (there are only a couple of companies that make 1W+ LEDs). Very bright, focused beam, and it burns for over 12 hrs on 3 AAA batteries. And it was $22.

The other light I love is a Petzl 1W headlamp - really useful for having hands free light. Burn time is 10-50 hrs on 3 AAAs depending on brightness settings. I know it seems goofy, but I end up using it more often than any other light (its really useful for wrenching on junk in less than ideal light).

And I have a couple 3D maglights of course. :)

-i

I think nearly any LED with a rated power draw of greater than, say, 1/2-watt is going to be a Luxeon. I'm sure there are LEDs out there up to 5W, and they're probably pushing them farther than that.

I think the LED that SureFire uses in their X200 weaponlight is a 3W Luxeon - and it's rated at 65 lumens - same as the G2 Nitrolon. Upside? More battery life.

I'm thinking about an LED conversion for my Z3 and one of the G2s one of these days - just haven't gotten around to it...
 
5-90 said:
I think nearly any LED with a rated power draw of greater than, say, 1/2-watt is going to be a Luxeon. I'm sure there are LEDs out there up to 5W, and they're probably pushing them farther than that.

I think the LED that SureFire uses in their X200 weaponlight is a 3W Luxeon - and it's rated at 65 lumens - same as the G2 Nitrolon. Upside? More battery life.

I'm thinking about an LED conversion for my Z3 and one of the G2s one of these days - just haven't gotten around to it...

Luxeon does have a 5W line out now, pretty cool stuff. I went to Phillips' Luxeon site and checked out the specs on the various high power LEDs, and the Luxeon III will put out around 65 lumens at 700mA current (a little over a watt). If Surefire makes a 3 or 5W LED light, that would be pretty sweet.

Incidentally, The math doesn't quite work out for the two lights I mentioned, since a AAA battery has around 1100 mAh storage capacity, so if either the Petzl or Dorcy are putting out the rated light output, the batteries should not last more than 1.5hrs. I think they both must be regulated to a lower wattage (both are still blinding bright, though).

Any idea why the Surefire lights are so much $$$? They look like they're really well made, but $200?? The LED devices are only $3-5 of that. I assume they're not imported, but still ...
 
Slacker87XJ said:
Luxeon does have a 5W line out now, pretty cool stuff. I went to Phillips' Luxeon site and checked out the specs on the various high power LEDs, and the Luxeon III will put out around 65 lumens at 700mA current (a little over a watt). If Surefire makes a 3 or 5W LED light, that would be pretty sweet.

Incidentally, The math doesn't quite work out for the two lights I mentioned, since a AAA battery has around 1100 mAh storage capacity, so if either the Petzl or Dorcy are putting out the rated light output, the batteries should not last more than 1.5hrs. I think they both must be regulated to a lower wattage (both are still blinding bright, though).

Any idea why the Surefire lights are so much $$$? They look like they're really well made, but $200?? The LED devices are only $3-5 of that. I assume they're not imported, but still ...

Because Dr. John Matthews (founder and owner) doesn't believe in cutting corners or "making price points." In his own words, "Build the best."

SureFire lights are the one handheld lamp I've ever had that I've not been able to break. I've got a G2 that usually lives in my pocket - but it's been run over by my trucks, it's had hammers dropped on it, it's been dropped in pools, it's been kicked around, ... - but it hasn't broken, and that's a polymer body, folks!

They have avaialble a MIL-spec hard anodise that can - literally! - saw through a Maglite, and both are aluminum.

They design their lights to not only function as lights, but so you can use them to put a major hurt on someone if you need to - without having to use something huge.

They overdrive their filaments and bulbs to the point where having a light shined in your face with dark-adapted vision can be thoroughly disorienting - and (for some of the much brighter lights) cause physical pain.

As I understand it, nothing is made overseas for them - all the manufacturing happens in Southern California (which is, I'm sure, a contributing factor to price...) but even their batteries are made by them, to their specifications, specifically for their lights. Yes, they do last longer than the $8 each Duracell and Energizer cells - I've checked (by about 15%.) They make the lamp bodies, they make the bulbs, they make the switches, they make the batteries - they don't make the Luxeon LEDs, but they are terribly selective about them.

All up, this is one true case of, "You get what you pay for." Ranking of handheld lamps:

SureFire
Streamlight
Dorcy (for their metal-body LED lamps.)
Coast Cutlery (but they sometimes use VERY odd batteries!)
Mag Instrument (the old standard)
Brinkmann
Garrity


Everyone else.

Don't even start with me about those two-dollar hardware store torches - if you get one that works well, it's a fluke.

I've long believed in spending a little extra money to get quality tools - and (so far) that has been a good idea.

A 3D Maglite makes a good club, but the odds are better than even you'll kill the bulb using it as such. Doesn't happen with SureFire or Streamlight. If the bulb doesn't work, it's because it's simply burned out.

I may not be able to adjust the beam on the SureFire and Streamlight torches I have, but I've not found a need to.
 
bjoehandley said:
I've just swapped my 12-13 y/o Maglight to LED with Maglight's converion bulb. Cost me about $20 at Sears (just so happened to be there doing some christmas shopping) and made a night/day difference in it! Since then Dad and mt sister have them in their Maglights too (Does Maglight make one for the 5 d-cell flashlights by chance?)

Maglight brand drop in modules with Luxeons are thermally dimmed. The new SSC P4 runs cooler and brighter than the Luxeons, and this module won't dim from heat. I bought this module which came with a Luxeon and replaced it with my own SSC about a week before the vendor started delivering the product with a SSC (as it is sold now) :P

It's a very nice beam.

http://www.batteryjunction.com/tle-6k2.html

Some other decent lights there as well, especially the Lumapower.

For $20, Advanced Auto has a 2-C cell 3 watt luxeon flashlight that puts out a nice beam.

Bang for buck is excellent if you select a SSC or Cree light from dealextreme.com. Keep an eye and make sure you know what you are ordering as far as battery requirements though.

Would not recommend the "multi-LED" lights, as they are not terribly bright, do not have very good throw, and are ugly color of blue. The Cree XR-E emitter dethroned the Luxeon (it's twice as efficient, resulting in either a light that is twice as bright or lasts twice as long). The SSC P4 in its current iteration is superior to the current batch of Cree's available, but that will probably be give and take for some time, and neither of the emitters will probably show up in lights at a local store for several months.

Fenix lights fenix-store.com were the darling for a couple months and I have one on my keychain, and are decent lights, but IMHO the current prices do not match the offering.

I'd even recommend checking out candlepowerforums.com, because there are a lot of friendly knowledgable people over there. The administrator has mad PMS though, so it's probably best to just lurk. Ask me how I know :rolleyes:
 
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