Ralph
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He should get a Darwin award for that stunt.
Just watch the repercussions of the Tucson shooting
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He should get a Darwin award for that stunt.
Everyone in this thread should google Peter Luty, and see his story. You'll never stop firearms production, the basic principles are out there and easily understood. The Chinese let the cat out of the bag a few thousand years ago when they made hand cannons from bamboo.
That's why all of this money and effort expended on gun control is pointless. If you ban guns, and even forcefully take them, we can still make them with basic things like pipe, sheetmetal, and hand tools.
That's why all of this money and effort expended on gun control is pointless. If you ban guns, and even forcefully take them, we can still make them with basic things like pipe, sheetmetal, and hand tools.
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Sorry that you fail to see the relevance of the "17yr old quote" from Allan Rock, Canada's Minister of Justice. Since you brought it up, lets also compare US vs Canadian crime rate data that should help you connect the dots:
Total Crime Rate/100,000 people
US: 3465 per 100,000
Canada: 6406 per 100,000
Violent Crime rate:
US: 429 per 100,000
Canada: 1314 per 100,000
2009 crime stats (change from 2008)
USA
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm
Murders -7.3%
Robberies - 8%
Aggravated Assault - 4.2%
vs
Canada
http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quoti...0720a1-eng.htm
Murders -1%
Robberies -2%
Aggravated Assault -1%
The crime rate has been dropping in both countries since 1991, but it has dropped 30% more in the USA. Since 1991, Canada has increased restrictions, while the US has decreased them.
More on Canadian Gun Control history 1995 to date:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2009/10/06/f-gun-registry.html
Socialist Gun Control agendas are all about taking away the rights of law abiding citizens and restricting their ability to exercise their God-given Rights to "successfully" defend themselves.
You think I rely on GB as my sole source of reference material on George Soros........bwaahahaha! I've clearly over-estimated your IQ!!
Agreed
People like me.....you mean, US Citizens who recognize how the Progressive Socialist movement within their county continues to undermine their Constitutional Freedoms and Values?
You mean, people like me who understand Marxist theory, that
Socialism is just a transitional stage on the way to Communism?
I don't posses firearms and the skills to use them to defend myself and my family because I'm afraid. Fear is a by-product of ignorance.
Knowledge is power.
iwannadie
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Well clearly once all the firearms are removed anyone who did an internet search on the topic would be arrested(internet policing and gun control all rolled into one). Anyone caught reading a book on firearms would be obviously a terrorist and arrested or the books destroyed to prevent that in the first place. Don't get caught talking about firearms to your friends cause they can turn you in for a reward. Hopefully anyone thinking about a firearm would be arrested to. Then, all gun crimes would go away and only the government would have weapons, win-win.
Ralph
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I think he's on to something here.
that's what got Luty arrested the second time. Apparently his book was helping terrorists. Because they need to build home made weapons, not just use the piles of AK's they have.
Darky
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:roflmao:
Don't know why people continue trying to debate with urban yan...he's not interested in an actual discussion.
And anyone who has really investigated Beck would know how he insists that his audience not take his word for anything and do their own research.
Jeepman401
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I find it entertaining. in 3 or 4 more days he will post something ridiculous, support it without reason, call everyone else ignorant, and disappear for a week to find another article. I figure by debating him, I do my part to keep him inside his house, because I wouldn't want him to go out with all of us evil gun owners :roflmao:
I'm curious where you got the first set of stats, but considering you have the same dead link as the Den of Zeus blog, I'm guessing it's a direct cut-and-paste. I can see why you used that source; they use a cat as their avatar. Catz r kool.
Here's something you missed: Canada and the United States have their own Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) survey. There are only eight “index” offences in the American UCR survey compared to over 100 in the Canadian UCR survey. For example, in Canada, violent crimes range from harassing phone calls to homicide. The American category also includes justifiable homicide, which is the killing of a felon by a peace officer or private citizen. Although it is a reported offence, it is not counted as an actual homicide and therefore, it does not appear in the homicide statistics. Even still, Canada's 2009 homicide rate is 1.81 per 100,000 people while in the US it 's 5 per 100,000. Also, overall, Statistics Canada said that the severity of crimes fell by 4 per cent last year and was 22 per cent lower than in 1999.
How do those stats correlate to our gun control specifically - I don't know. Am I using those stats to further an agenda that confiscates guns from law abiding citizens? - no!! Will I have to repeat myself - Most likely.
Bill C68's a work in progress; its bloated budget's being streamlined, and certain aspects are being amended to aid the process. I fail to see your point (as per usual). I never, once, said America should or could adopt Canada's Gun Registery. I do know our police considers the Gun Registery a valuable tool, and that's good enough for me.
Oh, and please stop using guns and god in the same sentence; that's twisted... even for you. I don't recall Jesus unloading a tommy-gun on the Romans when they came for him after the last supper... although I guess it wouldn't be his last supper if he did.
Hmmmm.... now that you mention it, my intelligence quotient does seem to drop everytime we engage in conversation... it's almost like something's dragging me down to their level and beating me with experience.
I consider people like you fanatics. You skew data in your favor with an implied, dire imminence that scares people until logic eludes them. If I were to revisit your posts 5 or 10 years from now, I doubt thar I would see more people wearing black overalls and ushankas, driving hovercrafts, or eating borscht off McComrades lunch menu, yet you make it sound like it's happening tomorrow. You're less a crusader for freedom, and more like Henny Penny.
So why did U.S. gun sales spike nationally after Arizona mass shooting? 60% sale jump in Arizona, 66% in Ohio, 38% in Illinois, 33% in New York. Were those purchases based on pure logic or motivated by fear?
I'm not interested in being a yes-man.
Damn if I know. Maybe it mean's people can and rather get-by without corrupt cops.
I don't post here everyday because I don't obsess about this section, and I'm busy with work. Also, this place is a real sausage fest, and I'm not interested reading about your latest exploit of reach-around with xjeeper and friends. There, I hope that last insult was inline with your expectations. Admittedly, I could do better, but I hate watching small children cry.
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yep. I'd be building something far cruder if I needed it right then, but still functional.
Hell, you'll have to outlaw PVC sewer pipe as well if you want to keep me unarmed. I've built some potato cannons so powerful I'd much rather face a small pistol than them.
Have you seen some of the people we have in this country? I doubt you'll disagree that we have more people that need killing here than you do in Canada.
I have snarky comment to make concerning you being beaten with experience but I can't quite come up with the right wording.
my bet is a combination of the two... if I was properly licensed at the moment and had the money to (I am short on both money and time right now), I'd be buying. This kind of event can only result in more regulation and the most logical choice is to buy before the legislation makes it harder to do so.
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Strawman: Tremendously exaggerating your opponent's position and then claiming to fight against a position they don't hold is always a great way to dodge the issues.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-...ermath-of-shooting-of-arizona-s-giffords.html
“When something like this happens people get worried that the government is going to ban stuff,” Wolff said.
Arizona gun dealers say that among the biggest sellers in the past few days is the Glock 19 made by privately held Glock GmbH, based in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria, the model used in the shootings.
Sales Jump
One-day sales of handguns in Arizona jumped 60 percent to 263 on Jan. 10 compared with 164 the corresponding Monday a year ago, the second-biggest increase of any state in the country, according to Federal Bureau of Investigation data.
Handgun sales rose 65 percent to 395 in Ohio; 16 percent to 672 in California; 38 percent to 348 in Illinois; and 33 percent to 206 in New York, the FBI data show. Sales increased nationally about 5 percent, to 7,906 guns.
“When something like this happens people get worried that the government is going to ban stuff,” Wolff said.
Arizona gun dealers say that among the biggest sellers in the past few days is the Glock 19 made by privately held Glock GmbH, based in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria, the model used in the shootings.
Sales Jump
One-day sales of handguns in Arizona jumped 60 percent to 263 on Jan. 10 compared with 164 the corresponding Monday a year ago, the second-biggest increase of any state in the country, according to Federal Bureau of Investigation data.
Handgun sales rose 65 percent to 395 in Ohio; 16 percent to 672 in California; 38 percent to 348 in Illinois; and 33 percent to 206 in New York, the FBI data show. Sales increased nationally about 5 percent, to 7,906 guns.
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http://www.statcan.gc.ca/start-debut-eng.html
The comparison was back to 1991, not 1999, relevant to gun control legislation in both countries in that timeframe. It's not that hard to follow.
Jeepman401
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So what exactly is your ideal situation?
Got any examples of how the police use the gun registry? its sole purpose is to have a list of guns out there, and the only reason to have that is so you can go out and collect them
Don't worry, your intelligence level has stayed at the same level the whole time
Write that while looking in a mirror? Your the one who has been posting bad numbers
Some can be attributed to fear, but more so to the fear that the gun control fanatics will use the shooting to push for gun control.
Let me put it in a form you can understand, if the canadian government were to talk about banning something you enjoy, wouldn't you try and get as much as you could before it was no longer available?
Nationwide sales rose 5% over last year. do the math its about 400 guns. Ever stop to think there could be other reasons for the raise? The economy is better than it was a year ago, people have more money to spend, so its logical that sales are going to go up because of that.
To break it down by state
Arizona- 65%= about 150 more guns. I will admit many may have been driven from fear. However there are a little over 125 gun shops in AZ, so each shop sold 3 guns instead of 2. Clearly everyone is rushing out to buy a gun to hide behind.
Most of my posts are in response to garbage you drag in here. I welcome you to bring in credible information for us to debate, but when you bring in crap, then insult us when we disagree with you, expect the same in return.
Try answering some questions asked of you for a change, leave out the insults. and see where it gets you.
Hah, you should see some of the kids in my neighborhood. I'm not saying they should be shot, but I certainly wouldn't be opposed to stuffing them in a burlap sack, and leaving them on the doorstep of a dog-food rendering plant.
You dodge the core of all social issues simply by stating they'll lead to communism. Next time I suggest you take the plank out of your eye before you try to remove the splinter from mine.
Those sound like fear-based purchases to me.
It's irrational to think the American government will ban guns, and the odds of running into another gun-totting psycho in a public place seems statistically disproportionate.
Anyways, I do recall mentioning something about accountability. Maybe someone could start here.
http://theweek.com/article/index/211649/michael-bloombergs-undercover-gun-show-sting
Ignoring the rest of your post seems like a good start.
Actually, it's a little larger than your gov healthcare records showed... I was trying to be nice.
Jeepman401
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Proving my point are you?
Clearly you didn't read my last post at all.
Do you drive around without a spare tire? you don't get a flat every day, so why bother
There are criminals everywhere, its a problem, but you dont have the solution.
But bloomberg has a history of pulling stunts to further his anti gun agenda. I wouldn't put it past him to have staged the video. Notice there is a gap shortly after the cop says he probably couldn't pass a background check. there could well be more to the video. Not saying 100% this was a fake, but until I see some followup, I wont take it as truth either
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