John Kerry...

[Billfaceeee]

I don't like R's or D's and to be left to vote only the extreme's of either really disheartens me. I feel as many American's are very Moderate people would like to make a well thought decision on what ever's up for discussion. That said a politician put it well in the recent day's, didn't Kerry already cost us (democrats) one election? And if that was an insult directed to the president (as he state's it was) he should go back to college and re-learn how to give speeches. When I hear it, read it, watch it clearly it sound's like an insult directed at the world's bravest. Like XJEtreme said keep the Army and those who serve out of politics unless you're part of the civilian leadership. I hate election time, you'd think there was some type of famine going on and these people will be forced to eat root's and drink muddy water if they don't invest millions for a job that pay's 160K a year.

 

[kubtastic]

I thought it deserved one more. (and because I didn't read page one first)

 

[Ramsey]

so thats 3 times we have proved that kerry is right about the troops

 

[in2fords]

has anyone seen the whole speech? before he said the one thing everyone is seeing/hearing on TV/radio he was talking about this war the president got us into. that line was directed strictly towards the presidents actions and mentality. He called the president an uneducated idiot... Im not defending this retard(before I get emails about mentally challenged people, I say he is retarded because he does the same thing over and over and obviously doesnt learn)we all know Kerry is a moron, but no one is dumb enough to take a shot at our military members. After this he said he will not apologize and went on to say about the comment of our president, again, He's an idiot, I know. In his stupidity he didnt realize that he did not clarify what he had said ENOUGH. the only things people know about it is the one line against the President and the one line where it sounds like he wont apologize to our military members.
If you want to call him an idiot, by all means we will back you on this, but if you take things out of context it makes you look equally stupid!
Im not coming to his defense, Im just not playing the political game of blowing things out of puportion for a few votes.
Before I get called an anti war tree hugging liberal I would like you to know I spent my 4 in the USMC, and am now going into the Army. I dont believe in the War and I dont like our current president. I could have a well paying job in the civilian world, but there are a few perks to being in the military. I dont mind being in the front lines, Im not a hero by any means but it does take a certain kind of person to join in this day and age.
just my 2 cents, Jeremy

 

[Blaine B.]

Is gay bashing really necessary?

He's married so that doesn't apply

 

[Blaine B.]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting......................

 

[Ramsey]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting......................

LOL wow

 

[XJ_Xtreme]

First: Of topic, in2fords My mom lived in Makaha while teaching at UH, GREAT times surfing that beach!!! Nice point break!

Second: On topic, Context has nothing to do with his statement. There is NO context in which THAT statement would or could be considered appropriate. If he, or any other political pundit would suggest a plausible exit strategy and or viable solution to what amount to a shooting gallery using our brave sons, daughters, family and friends as the "ducks" I would listen and support them. As far as I can see, no such animal exists. But what is the most disturbing, is the fact that the Republicrats will continue to use these people as the issue de' jour to get re/elected while offering no substance for a solution.

Do I agree with the war, not so much. The ROE suck and so does our policy in that region. Period end. But, you want to impress me during this "election" season, try this:

Speak about a REAL exit plan, change the ROE and deployment rotation so we are not sending these people there with little hope of victory and IF you really want to impress me, forgo your congressional pay toward proper equipment for these, our bravest and bightest....ya' know, our future. I won't hold my breath though. :sure:

I yield the soapbox.

 

[kubtastic]

"I sincerely regret that my words were misinterpreted to wrongly imply anything negative ..."

Passive voice.
Apparently it's [my] fault for misinterpreting what he said. Anyone else notice this? btw he wrote this one himself - not an off-the-cuff statement.

 

[Powerman]

Here is my .02. It is real funny how everything looks so different under a microscope. Then put a red filter or a blue filter over it and the picture changes dramaticly. Context does matter. Ones own experience does change perception. I took it to mean something else and I was way off base. And no I won't appologize

Everyone starts from a position and then uses whatever is at hand to solidify that position. If you don't like Kerry, goody for you. I am certainly not impressed with him. However, his family had money. Not Hines money, but enough to keep him out of Viet Nam. He chose to serve his county, IN COUNTRY. I respect him for that. When he got back, he chose to exersize his right to free speech by speaking out about the war. History has proven him and others they were right. He never said Nam was wrong because the troops didn't know how to fight. History has proven that Nam was wrong because politicians were using the millitary to fight a war of ideas instead of using the millitary to fight for territory. Wrong tool for the job.

The exact same thing is going on today. Our troops are dying in a war of ideas instead of allowing them to do what they are trained so well to do, capture countrys. They are floundering in the police action in Iraq, while Bin Ladin runs free in Afganistan. We know where he is at. You don't think we don't have a capable military that could surround him and kill every living thing in the middle? Of course we do. I respect Kerry's service the same as I respect ever fighting soldier. I respect him for speaking out about this war. I believe he has shown he is incompetent to lead this country simply by loosing to Bush, and being wishy washy. I saw an interview with him where he said he was going to take no prisoners, so to speak, and kick butt. The problem John is that you should have known that BEFORE last election. Next!

He in no way meant to insult the troops. He is just a poor politician. Stop taking extremist views and disecting every little word. And would he stop to change your tire? Give me a break. If a Texan can kiss a black baby, a blue blood can change a tire. They are politicians, they would sell their mothers for a vote. The funny thing is that if the left critisizes anything, the right immediatly jumps on them and say they are just bleeding heart cry babies and they have no spine. So one turn deserves the other. Did that mean Mr. Kerry hurt your little feelings? Do you need a hug? Get over it already. If you disagree, don't vote for him. I know I won't. He has the right to free speech. A right he put his life on the line for. Our present Commander in Chief chose to serve his country on a bar stool, and that is why we are stuck in Irak. Deal with it.

 

[CW]

It was a botched joke, if you look at his prepared remarks it was supposed to be somthing quite different than what actually came out of his mouth. Kerry is a terrible joke teller he is usually about as eloquent in speeking as Mr. Bush is and it was no suprise to me that he said something stupid again. He wasn't insulting the troops, the man is a decorated war hero for crying out loud. This is silly season in politics and the GOP jumped all over this because it creates a Bush vs. Kerry battle that distract undecided voters and we all know who wins that fight. Niether man is running for anything this year and this is a distraction from the real issue, the war in Iraq. I despise the war, I believe it's time to declare victory and leave. I know dozens of people I went to high school with and go to college with that are over in the sandbox in harms way and most of them are tired of it because no progress is being made. We can't do anything about Iraqies killing each other and being self destructive, there is very little we can do. Federalizing the country sounds good on paper but when you realize that most of the countries population is concentrated in three ethnicaly diverse cities it makes deviding the country not very feasable.
If Kerry would have said this next month it would barely have gotten any news coverage. For the next week remember to take everything said by politicians and pundits with a grain of salt. Everything will calm down and people won't be so overly sensative about everything after the elections. Then the lame duck congress will get back to doing nothing until Jan. Vote for the candidate you believe will represent you the best, don't let a senator not even up for reelection affect your vote.

 

[kubtastic]

[long post again]

yeah?

Deal with it.

Back at ya (or keep posting essays).

 

[flexjay87]

i was gonna tell some"karry" jokes, but i "BOTCHED" them.

 

[Powerman]

Back at ya (or keep posting essays).

I'm sorry, should I have put some pictures in for you? That's funny, I didn't see you make the same comment to the other long posters in this thread. Oh, it's OK if you agree with them. I get it. Thank you for your valued input.:bs:

 

[8Mud]

I was from a moderatly wealthy family, was decorated in Vietnam, volunteered (there is an RA before my first service number).
My experiences in Vietnam lead me to believe, the troops with a variety of life experiences, generally performed as well, if not better than the ones with higher education. What you learn in school is often pretty darned irrelevant in combat. Intelligence can also be largely irrelevant, to the amount of schooling a person has. They have to be trainable, to be an asset, but they don't have to be college grads. Your choice, a hillbilly that can shoot straight and doesn't freak out at the site of a little carnage or a college grade who can't find Iraq on a map anyway and can likely quote Keats.
I never begrudged the troops or civilians that managed to avoid service there choice of a life path. Not everybody is cut out to be a warrior.
But on the flip side, I always brisstled at the thought, that college somehow made a person superior, worth more or more preferable than a person who chose to serve, while others were studying.
That college grads are in someway superior to those who aren't, is a kind of *class* think that I have always found offensive.

 

[CW]

yeah?

Back at ya (or keep posting essays).

Look. I'm sorry if I can string together words to articulate thoughts I may have that are longer than a single sentance. I may be involvled in politics but I don't feel the need to condence my thoughts into "one liner" sound bytes. Maybe that is Kerry's problem. If your response to someones reasoning for thinking the way they do is "yeah?" then you shouldn't concern yourself with any thing political, there are all ready enough people like that involved in making policy descisions for our country. If you can't objectively look at the situation and see that both the left and the right made serious errors in judgement on this issue then you are beyond help.

 

[kubtastic]

I'm sorry if I can string together words to articulate thoughts I may have that are longer than a single sentance.

another kerry-style apology! I love it!

 

[Blaine B.]

lol

 

[CW]

lol

At least there is one conservative Republican with a sense of humor.