Interesting...

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Supposedly, Al-Jazeera has released a tape, with bin Laden's voice ("confirmed" by the CIA,) that offers us a truce. Source? Yahoo! News/AP (link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_bin_laden)

I'm as in favour of negotiating with terrorists as the next guy (you get to decide what ear the bullet goes in...) but I find it rather telling that they're not listing their conditions for a truce - even if we have no intention of negotiating, you can get pretty far into the other guy's head if you know where he's willing to start negotiating.

Again, I'm not in favour of dealing with these people - unless "dealing with" is a euphemism for "killing." I think terrorists are very nearly the worst sort of criminal (it's a toss-up between them and rapists, in my mind,) but it would be instructive to hear something they've got to say without the accompanying violence.

As far as I'm concerned (and experience bears me out on this,) the war of terror is, quite simply, a war of annihilation - it will only truly end when one side is completely eliminated. This isn't a regular combat action, where a status quo antebellum can be reached by both sides - once twisted religion got involved, that became impossible. We're dealing with highly motivated, twisted people who have perverted Islam to their own ends and consider us the "Last Great Satan."

Granted, I have nothing against Islam either - but these people who we are dealing with have twisted it to their own ends - much like the "God Hates Fags" christians (cf. posts from a couple weeks ago.) The problem with religion is that it often gets twisted to fit someone's views, and they then manage to attract followers. Go figure - the Islamic Jihad-types aren't following any Holy Qu'ran that I've read...

Just thought I'd say something about all of this.

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[RTicUL8]

Category: Things that make you go "Mmmmmmmmmokay!???" :dunno:

 

[casm]

Was somebody trying to breed Q*Berts?

 

[BrianB]

I was watching a production of Henry the VIII (it's been a while since I've been down for reading one of the bard's wretched plays) and at one point the King meets with this rebel group leader, agrees to all his demands, makes like it's all cool and then at just the right time goes about the business of executing the whole bunch without a peep from the masses.

Draw them out. Then waste them. Blame the confusion on bad translators.

 

[Grifter144]

Supposedly, Al-Jazeera has released a tape, with bin Laden's voice ("confirmed" by the CIA,) that offers us a truce. Source? Yahoo! News/AP (link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_bin_laden)

I'm as in favour of negotiating with terrorists as the next guy (you get to decide what ear the bullet goes in...) but I find it rather telling that they're not listing their conditions for a truce - even if we have no intention of negotiating, you can get pretty far into the other guy's head if you know where he's willing to start negotiating.

Again, I'm not in favour of dealing with these people - unless "dealing with" is a euphemism for "killing." I think terrorists are very nearly the worst sort of criminal (it's a toss-up between them and rapists, in my mind,) but it would be instructive to hear something they've got to say without the accompanying violence.

As far as I'm concerned (and experience bears me out on this,) the war of terror is, quite simply, a war of annihilation - it will only truly end when one side is completely eliminated. This isn't a regular combat action, where a status quo antebellum can be reached by both sides - once twisted religion got involved, that became impossible. We're dealing with highly motivated, twisted people who have perverted Islam to their own ends and consider us the "Last Great Satan."

Granted, I have nothing against Islam either - but these people who we are dealing with have twisted it to their own ends - much like the "God Hates Fags" christians (cf. posts from a couple weeks ago.) The problem with religion is that it often gets twisted to fit someone's views, and they then manage to attract followers. Go figure - the Islamic Jihad-types aren't following any Holy Qu'ran that I've read...

Just thought I'd say something about all of this.

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agreed, hunt em from here to the end of the earth.

 

[Root Moose]

If Bin Laden is asking for a truce then the military must be getting really close to getting him.

Blow the bastard to hell.

 

[Lou]

Was somebody trying to breed Q*Berts?

 

[5-90]

If Bin Laden is asking for a truce then the military must be getting really close to getting him.

Blow the bastard to hell.

Hell's not far enough - I've been there.

The only problem I can see with killing him is that he'd then become a martyr. Once we confirm the kill, it becomes a rallying point for all the Islamic Jihad types.

However, if we have him as a publicly "unconfirmed" kill, it becomes a little vague for everyone else. If he's just obliterated entirely (I'm thinking 200# Semtex suppository, perhaps, or a napalm enema,) then you can't confirm the kill unless you saw it, and have a witness.

The issue with killing people like that is that they then become a cause celebre - I'm fully in favour of killing him myself (and I'd be happy to do so - for free, much less if I get reactivated,) but to do so in a public way, or to publicly confirm the kill, would be self-defeating. Unless...

How about this? Have him beaten by gorillas, raped by pigs, and give him a pigskin shroud (right after his last meal of pork chops,) and tell the world that anyone who follows in his footsteps will get the same treatment. Stop killing Islamic terrorists in the field - capture them instead, have women hold them prisoner, beaten by gorillas, raped by pigs, &c - and have it all available to televise when people need a reminder. Just killing them is A) too good for them anyhow, and B) not going to send the right message.

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[87manche]

Hell's not far enough - I've been there.

The only problem I can see with killing him is that he'd then become a martyr. Once we confirm the kill, it becomes a rallying point for all the Islamic Jihad types.

However, if we have him as a publicly "unconfirmed" kill, it becomes a little vague for everyone else. If he's just obliterated entirely (I'm thinking 200# Semtex suppository, perhaps, or a napalm enema,) then you can't confirm the kill unless you saw it, and have a witness.

The issue with killing people like that is that they then become a cause celebre - I'm fully in favour of killing him myself (and I'd be happy to do so - for free, much less if I get reactivated,) but to do so in a public way, or to publicly confirm the kill, would be self-defeating. Unless...

How about this? Have him beaten by gorillas, raped by pigs, and give him a pigskin shroud (right after his last meal of pork chops,) and tell the world that anyone who follows in his footsteps will get the same treatment. Stop killing Islamic terrorists in the field - capture them instead, have women hold them prisoner, beaten by gorillas, raped by pigs, &c - and have it all available to televise when people need a reminder. Just killing them is A) too good for them anyhow, and B) not going to send the right message.

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oh but then that's torture, and the liberals won't have that...
Can we do that to a couple of liberals too, that way they'll just shut up, and realize that some things just have to be done.

 

[planefixer]

I think Bin Laden is just trying to buy himself some time.Bastard needs to die .

 

[XJ Dreamin']

Supposedly, Al-Jazeera has released a tape, with bin Laden's voice ("confirmed" by the CIA,) that offers us a truce. Source? Yahoo! News/AP (link: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060119/ap_on_re_mi_ea/al_qaida_bin_laden)

I'm as in favour of negotiating with terrorists as the next guy (you get to decide what ear the bullet goes in...) but I find it rather telling that they're not listing their conditions for a truce - even if we have no intention of negotiating, you can get pretty far into the other guy's head if you know where he's willing to start negotiating.

Again, I'm not in favour of dealing with these people - unless "dealing with" is a euphemism for "killing." I think terrorists are very nearly the worst sort of criminal (it's a toss-up between them and rapists, in my mind,) but it would be instructive to hear something they've got to say without the accompanying violence.

As far as I'm concerned (and experience bears me out on this,) the war of terror is, quite simply, a war of annihilation - it will only truly end when one side is completely eliminated. This isn't a regular combat action, where a status quo antebellum can be reached by both sides - once twisted religion got involved, that became impossible. We're dealing with highly motivated, twisted people who have perverted Islam to their own ends and consider us the "Last Great Satan."

Granted, I have nothing against Islam either - but these people who we are dealing with have twisted it to their own ends - much like the "God Hates Fags" christians (cf. posts from a couple weeks ago.) The problem with religion is that it often gets twisted to fit someone's views, and they then manage to attract followers. Go figure - the Islamic Jihad-types aren't following any Holy Qu'ran that I've read...

Just thought I'd say something about all of this.

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Truce. That's funny. I heard this story on CNN this morning but I didn't listen to it. Guys like Bin Laden are no more Islamic than the Oklahoma City bomber was Christian. All of these guys are no more than playground bullies. Their pathetic lack of self esteem and psychotic need to control their fate has driven them to sociopathic absolute solutions justified by delusions of grandeur. Bin Laden is right in there with Ted Bundy, the UniBomber, And Adolf Hitler, to name a few. Hitler used antisemitism because that was popular in Europe. Bin Laden uses Islamic fervor because he was born in Saudi Arabia. But Islam is not Bin Laden's true agenda. His own personal aggrandizement is all that he cares about. He is a sociopath and I would say that his three strikes are up.

As to his treatment? Two to the forehead: standard entry procedure against armed targets. Of course, when he is run to ground he won't be holding a gun. He'll be hiding in a rat hole like Hussein. Give him his due process and put him against the wall. In the end, there is no deterrent. Knock them down as they pop up and move on. Don't waste your time trying to convince their followers to lay off. They are as warped as their leader: who else would follow him?

 

[5-90]

oh but then that's torture, and the liberals won't have that...
Can we do that to a couple of liberals too, that way they'll just shut up, and realize that some things just have to be done.

Guess what - I don't give a damn. Torture? Is it any worse than what they're planning to do to people who aren't involved?

I can see military injuries - it's called "taking a soldier's chance." However, targeting "innocent" people is terror, it's cowardice, and people who do so deserve to die. They deserve to die in the most horrific and public way I can think of - even if I get tapped to do it. I'm not against capital punishment, and I'm willing to throw the switch - I just need to be convinced that that person will need to die. With terrorists, there's no need to convince me - I've spent years hunting the bastids down and killing them anyhow.

However, with terrorists (especially "religious" zealots,) I can honestly say that it's not enough to kill the central figures. Disfigure, dismember, torture - THEN kill, and make sure they go to whatever personal Hell they believe in. The problem with these people is that they think that killing us is a ticket straight to their Heaven - and we need to make sure they'll be sent to their Hell if we get a hold of them. Even if we give them a nice, clean needle, make sure they know that there was pig blood or someting in the IV before they check out - and make sure everyone else knows it as well.

I don't have any use for terrorists. I have very little use for Leftists. Go figure.

"It is God's job to forgive terrorists their actions. It is my job to arrange the meeting."

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[8Mud]

I still like my solution the best. Two to the brain pan. Feed his remains to a herd of wild pigs, follow the pigs around with a pooper scooper and return the remains to his family.
I really doubt he will be welcome in paradise and/or the virgins will be much interested.
This whole playing by the rules crap, isn't the most efficient way to win a war. Especially if the other guy ignores the rules.
Paraphrasing an old Chinese proverb, if you play the game by the other guys rules, you are gonna loose. Playing the game by anybodies rules is a handicap.
Let the academics and the politicians argue the procedure after the fact.
Due process for psychopaths, while possibly humane, isn't really the best solution. The best solution, is to purge them as quickly as possible from the gene pool.

 

[5-90]

That's why I'd set the rules. We're awake when the other guy's asleep, and I had no compunctions about shooting an unarmed enemy in the back (they'd do the same to me, wouldn't they?)

You're right - if you let the other guys write the rules of engagement, you WILL lose unless you get VERY damn lucky! Write the rules yourself, be willing to change them on a whim, or just don't bother with rules in the first place (there was ALWAYS one rule - we go home, the other guy stays here.)

Academcs and politicans? Monday morning quarterbacks. They weren't there, and therefore they're not fit to pass judgement on my actions. I didn't judge what soldiers did in Vietnam, for instance, I just took the lessons learned to heart - and learned to operate like the VC, rather than the US Army...

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