If you own a gun....

[Frank Z]

and something like this happens in your home....

http://www.koaa.com/news/two-year-old-colorado-boy-dies-after-shooting-himself-with-gun/

You need to be drug down a rocky path and shot in head.

I own a gun and you can bet your sweet ass it's kept safely away from anyone and everyone.

Bill of Rights make no distinction, but please tell me how a person with any sort of brains allows a 2 year old to get there hands on a loaded weapon.:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

I guess the term RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP didn't mean anything to the guy that owned the gun.

 

[Customizer1000]

Sad for sure!!

 

[Fred]

Yep, until Zac was old enough to be taught how to handle a gun, and how to shoot, and even for years after that, the weapon under my bed was a baseball bat. Now that we are all adults, we all know that every gun in this house is loaded.

 

[5-90]

"Right" entails responsiblity. The right to do something includes the responsibility to do so without causing undue damage or unjustifiable injury.

"You can't yell 'Movie!' in a crowded firehouse" is the best example - just because you can say what you want to say doesn't mean that you can do so in a situation likely to cause injury(ies.) We have slander and libel laws for somewhat similar reasons.

You have the freedom to worship whomever and however you like - but this freedom does not include the lawful ability to commit human sacrifice as a result (although I'm still not sure that practitioners of Christian Science - and similar religions - who allows someone to die, when such death would be readily preventable - shouldn't be charge with negligent homicide or homicide by depraved indifference at the very least.)

Yes, you have the right to own firearms - even if this right has become sharply limited over the last eighty years.

However, you also have the responsibility to do so in such manner that does not endanger others unduly - that means securing them from theft or keeping them from people who don't know better (like small children.)

I'd prefer charges for negligent homicide in a case like this - your negligence in storing your sidearm resulted in the - preventable! - death of a small child.

My granddad had a number of blackpowder firearms (revolvers and rifles) around the house growing up - they were stowed out of my reach until he taught me safe handling and what to do. As a result, I've been shooting since I was five or six years old. As have all my cousins.

I have no problem with the idea of rights - but I think we've forgotten about responsibility somewhere down the line. As far as government should be concerned, a right should be absolute and individual. As far as the individual is concerned, the right should only be limited by the responsibility to do whatever in a manner that doesn't endanger others (and, if they should screw it up, that is when the government should get involved. Not a wholesale restriction, but an individual correction.)

 

[xj-grin]

couldn't have said it better.

 

[FlexdXJ]

and something like this happens in your home....

http://www.koaa.com/news/two-year-old-colorado-boy-dies-after-shooting-himself-with-gun/

You need to be drug down a rocky path and shot in head.

I own a gun and you can bet your sweet ass it's kept safely away from anyone and everyone.

Bill of Rights make no distinction, but please tell me how a person with any sort of brains allows a 2 year old to get there hands on a loaded weapon.:flamemad::flamemad::flamemad:

I guess the term RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP didn't mean anything to the guy that owned the gun.

With the exception of my carry gun the others are locked up at all times. If I know there will be children present its either on my person or up high or depending on the age of the children and how much of a nosey kid they are, locked up.

 

[DutchVDub]

Wait, I thought 9mm's had no stopping power?

Sorry, too soon?

I keep all of my weapons locked up, even the shot gun by my bed. I also make sure to show them to my son and explain that they're not toys and to never touch them without me being there. I believe that a lot of issues with kids getting into guns and killing themselves is a result of people hiding them from the kids in the first place. You need to educate them as to the dangers and responsible handling of a fire arm. Remember, in the end it's not the guns that kill people. It's people, either through intent or negligence.

 

[jimgrms]

mines in a locked gun box inside another box , the only time its out is when i go to the range

 

[5-90]

Wait, I thought 9mm's had no stopping power?

Sorry, too soon?

I keep all of my weapons locked up, even the shot gun by my bed. I also make sure to show them to my son and explain that they're not toys and to never touch them without me being there. I believe that a lot of issues with kids getting into guns and killing themselves is a result of people hiding them from the kids in the first place. You need to educate them as to the dangers and responsible handling of a fire arm. Remember, in the end it's not the guns that kill people. It's people, either through intent or negligence.

Which is why I was taught at such an early age, I'm sure.

 

[Frank Z]

Sorry, too soon?

Never funny when we're talking about a 2 year old's brains getting splattered.....

Would it be too soon if it was your kid?

 

[DutchVDub]

My kid isn't 2, he's 4.

If I was dumb enough to create a situation in my house hold that led to my son killing himself negligently with one of my guns then I would be deserving of ill mannered jokes. As it is, I'm confident in the fact that I've instilled more fear and respect of me into my son than God himself. As such I know he won't be stupid enough to mess with my stuff, not even my tools.

 

[Fred]

Give it time, every kid messes with Dad's tools. I know, I did, my kid did. Guns on the other hand, no. And I knew where the key to the gun cabinet was from an early age.

 

[DutchVDub]

My guns are all individually locked and the keys are all in different locations.

My kid tried messing with my tool box once before. He wasn't able to sit down very comfortably for a while afterwards. Now he stays away from it.

 

[5-90]

Give it time, every kid messes with Dad's tools. I know, I did, my kid did. Guns on the other hand, no. And I knew where the key to the gun cabinet was from an early age.

Granddad didn't keep them seriously locked up - they were secured in racks, but it's not like they were a problem to get to.

Once he knew I was strong enough to pull the trigger, he staged a little demonstration. He had me go get a watermelon out of his garden that was about the size of my head.

Then he gave me some paints and had me paint a face on it.

Then we put it on a stump across the street.

He stuck earplugs in my ears, stuck earplugs in his, and let fly at it with one of his .54 calibre blackpowder wheelguns.

Then he had me to find all of the pieces. (The biggest piece I found was about the size of my hand.)

We were looking at a small pile of pieces from what was a fairly large watermelon - and he told me, in all seriousness, that getting shot could do the same thing to me. So, don't do anything with the guns unless he's there to teach me how to do it right.

Lesson held - it's been 35 years since I saw that, I've been hit in the head far too many teams since then, but I still clearly remember that day.

I'll be doing the same thing with my grandkids when the time comes - more or less. Never underestimate the power of a demonstration!

(The ultimate and final safety device is the two-and-a-half pounds or so of greyish mush betwixt the ears. No amount of regulations can properly replace that, and Congress is wrong trying to assume otherwise.)

 

[DutchVDub]

That's a good idea, I'll have to use it.

 

[GSequoia]

Terrible. I keep all mine locked up and plan to continue doing so. I have one of the less appealing looking houses on the street so I'm not too terribly worried about burglars.

I haven't introduced Sebastian to guns yet but I'm going to have to soon, it's a fine line though as I don't want him blabbing about Daddy's guns at school.

 

[Fred]

Yeah, the school jabber is an issue. One of my neighbor's kids is a year older than Zac, and when they were both in grade school, he invited him to come along on a weekend camping trip. His father called my wife to ensure that I wasn't going to sit around the campfire randomly firing into the night. Just because the first sticker I put on the jeep was an NRA membership sticker.

 

[Gonepostal]

This is interesting, but I have a much different approach, and I am sure someone will call me something nasty. Like my father’s guns, my guns were never locked up, but soon will be. Not because of my eight year old son, but rather his friends. My son was taught from the first day he could understand that my guns were NOT toys and not to be touched unless I was there to supervise. Most are still more than accessible and he never even gives them a thought or look. I have taught him to maintain his guns (yes he has his own) and how to clean and store them. He has even helped me reload ammunition and understands the steps to create an accurate round. He has been to the range and even helped shoot and dress out last year’s Buffalo. After watching a rifle dump a 1200 pound animal (the watermelon on steroids), he knows both the power of a gun and that it can be very dangerous. Most of all, he enjoys shooting but understands there is a time and place, and there are no exceptions to this rule.

Now for the flipside I ordered a custom gun safe two weeks ago. Like I said this is for his little friends. If it were not for them, I would not be locking up any of our guns. However, from what I have seen most of his little buddies have not had the benefit of a parent taking the time to teach them about guns. For that reason everything including my ammunition will be locked up by the middle of next week. And yes, I have discussed why we will be locking up our guns. It's just too bad that most parents won't or don't take the time to teach about how important our second amendment rights are and how very important it is to be responsible with a firearm.

OK now proceed to beat me up.

 

[Frank Z]

Beat you up? Hell no!
YOU ARE BEING RESPONSIBLE.

Since you can't always control every action of every person that visits your home, and you don't know how they will conduct themselves....you've taken steps to make sure your firearms don't get into the wrong hands.

Good for you!

 

[UnlimitedMatt]

Beat you up? Hell no!
YOU ARE BEING RESPONSIBLE.

Since you can't always control every action of every person that visits your home, and you don't know how they will conduct themselves....you've taken steps to make sure your firearms don't get into the wrong hands.

Good for you!

X2

I agree with you both. My safe is mostly for protect from burglary.