Idiot Judges

[Eagle]

http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/24/technology/ftc_donotcall/index.htm?cnn=yes

What a dork! It should not take a Federal judge 10 seconds to understand that the First Amendment right to freedom of speech is intended to allow anyone to hold and express an opinion without the government punishing hem for it. It is not a guarantee of an audience, and it is not a guarantee that a telemarketer has a right to call me on MY phone, on MY phone line, in the middle of MY private time, to hawk some POS that I never heard of, probably can't afford, and definitely don't want.

Sheesh.

 

[Ghost]

Ditto!

I agree and hope that it is overturned!

 

[Kejtar]

I agree with you 100% but..... keep one thing in mind: the amount of jobs that this could kill is amazing. I work in a place that is somewhat related to call centers (we offer voice recording solution amongst other things) and even we would suffer from the domino effect.
So there are many sides to one coin and don't forget that if you flip it.... it even mind land and stand on the edge!

 

[ChuckD]

If a phone was provided to me free of charge, kinda like the the local TV is free, I can understand for the sake of entertainment I am being subject to tampon ads and what not. It's the price I have to pay to watch my Dr. Phil at 3 o'clock,

I pay for my telephone and taxes on top of that. I can turn off my phone, and then no one can call me, I can use calller ID, but half of the time it says "OUT OF SERVICE AREA" , why should some company make money on selling my name and phone number just so someone can offer me a better deal on refiancing.

Well thanks, this is my beef to,

 

[satan]

Interesting though -- currently, the callers are protected from exactly what they are seeking --

There are several states that have prosecuted folks for cussing at and degrading those dinner-time carpet cleaning hawking (etc) folks...

If they are leaning that they have the right to contact me on a device I use for safety and emergency communications, and I can not, in return, ask them if they are still wearing the same dirty panties as the night before, then... seems to me that one of those rulings falls afoul of the other...

To go further - will this then require me to answer my phone?

 

[HossHoffer]

Courts

That wasn't the ninth circuit court of appeals by chance?

 

[TC]

The fact that telemarketers will lose their jobs doesn't bother me in the least. In fact I wish ALL telemarketers would go away. I see no difference between a no-call list and and a No Soliciting sign on my front door, it's MY home and nobody should have a right to enter without being invited. The worst of the bunch are the recored messages that fill up answering machines and tie up phone lines by not allowing you to hang up until well after the entire sales pitch is over.
DEATH TO ALL TELEMARKETERS! TC

 

[Scott Mac]

http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/24/technology/ftc_donotcall/index.htm?cnn=yes

What a dork! It should not take a Federal judge 10 seconds to understand that the First Amendment right to freedom of speech is intended to allow anyone to hold and express an opinion without the government punishing hem for it. It is not a guarantee of an audience, and it is not a guarantee that a telemarketer has a right to call me on MY phone, on MY phone line, in the middle of MY private time, to hawk some POS that I never heard of, probably can't afford, and definitely don't want.

Sheesh.

Reminds me of another quote that I've heard and don't know who to give credit to.

"One has the right to free speach and along with that one also has the right not to be heard." ie. Just because you have the right to speak doesn't mean I have to listen to you.

 

[Kejtar]

The fact that telemarketers will lose their jobs doesn't bother me in the least.

It's not only them that will loose the job... it's a whole domino effect that might have some bad consequences as most of the call centers are located in the areas where there is nothing else to do and a call center might be the whole industry of a town or two. Don't take me wrong.. I hate those damn calls as they always know when I'm doing something... but... there is a lot more to it!!!

 

[Eagle]

It's not only them that will loose the job... it's a whole domino effect that might have some bad consequences as most of the call centers are located in the areas where there is nothing else to do and a call center might be the whole industry of a town or two. Don't take me wrong.. I hate those damn calls as they always know when I'm doing something... but... there is a lot more to it!!!

You're touching on something that goes far beyond just telemarketing, and probably belongs on a political forum rather than a Jeep forum, but ...

Has anyone besides me noticed that our government and the big multi-national corporations are working very diligently to send all REAL jobs to other countries, leaving us here with nothing but the dregs? There was a time when a "company town" was built around a steel mill, or a textile mill or three, or maybe a John Deere tractor factory. You can see the remains of this all over New England, both the vacant mill buildings and the rows of neat wood frame houses that "the company" provided for their workers.

Now we're down to towns basing their existence on such non-jobs as telemarketing call centers? To borrow a phrase originally intended for a different context, "How the mighty have fallen."

Stop the world, I want to get off.

 

[Kejtar]

Has anyone besides me noticed that our government and the big multi-national corporations are working very diligently to send all REAL jobs to other countries, leaving us here with nothing but the dregs?

I don't know if it's the government or not.... but what does the government have to do with the fact that people in places like India are willing to work for $10 a day (I know it's a ridiculous number... but AFAIK I'm not that far off!) while here people will often scoff at minimum wage and rather not work!!!!

Also in a way it's all business.... Do you want to pay $10 for a stupid toy or do you want to pay $100 ???? Sometimes that's what the costs difference would come up to if the labor was done in US..... look at the costs of computer components and show me one that was made 100% in the USA! Computers used to be made here and they used to cost a LOOOOOOOOOT of money. Slowly as the technology got cheaper and laber started getting shifted to places that charge a heck of a lot less things got more affordeable.

Now don't take me wrong... I wasn't born here, but I live here and I am rather unhappy about the programming jobs that get farmed out to the far away places... but I do not think that the government is to be blamed for that...

Kejtar

 

[STRYKER]

http://money.cnn.com/2003/09/24/technology/ftc_donotcall/index.htm?cnn=yes

What a dork! It should not take a Federal judge 10 seconds to understand that the First Amendment right to freedom of speech is intended to allow anyone to hold and express an opinion without the government punishing hem for it. It is not a guarantee of an audience, and it is not a guarantee that a telemarketer has a right to call me on MY phone, on MY phone line, in the middle of MY private time, to hawk some POS that I never heard of, probably can't afford, and definitely don't want.

Sheesh.

50 million (the number who signed up) can't be wrong. The FCC should take the list over and keep it up.

 

[RichP]

I agree

Alot of the good jobs are moving overseas and alot of those green cards are heading back to where they came from too. They can't find work here after doing their indentured service to the company that sponsored them and then realize that they were getting ripped off for 3-5 years. Heck, to them $30k a year is a fortune till they find out how much it costs to live here.
Back when I was at bellcore they started bringing in green cards, filling $60K-$80K a year jobs with workers that were getting $30K and the firms that sponsored them were taking up to 50%. That was back in 93 and it grew from there. Some US companies even had green cards in rented houses doing programming work for $25K, 4-8 programmers to a 4 bedroom house in a suburban development.
There is no doubt in my mind that alot of the foreign jobs are the result of decisions made by the principles of the companies who in all likely hood have very large off shore accounts which were direct results of 'favorable decisions' made by them, their lawyers and accountants.
I wonder how long it will take the IRS to take advantage of the patriot act to start looking thru overseas bank records for them After all, can't you classify a terrorist as one who does 'extreme damage' to the US. Maybe a new catagory 'economic terrorism'.
At some point there won't be anybody to buy the products they sell once enough jobs go away. I already spend 90% less on toys, 80% would like to haves and 70% 'need this to make things easier'. I just don't have the money coming in I had 3 years ago.

 

[RichP]

as for telemarketers

I put the phone down next to the dog and then give the dog something crunchy to eat like a milkbone dog biscuit or a big hard pretzel then wait till the 'in use' light goes out
Now if shauna had a voice .......

 

[Kejtar]

Re: as for telemarketers

Now if shauna had a voice .......

Well... put the MS Speech api to a good use and you can go both ways: have her speak and have her understand the callers (the former works better then the latter..... I know.... we played with it at work LOL)

Kejtar

 

[TC]

I fully understand that some people make money "downstream" from the telemarketers, it's not something I'd be proud of. How many people are harassed for each sale? Dozens, hundreds, thousands? If I wanted new Vinyl siding or windows I'd shop for them, not buy them on a whim from some A-hole who calls me at home. TC

 

[FitchVA]

i agree with most of yall. yeah it sucks that several thousands will lose their jobs. but life isn't always fair. i don't want to be bothered when i'm at home from some pushy salesperson.

and what about people like my grandmother? she's on a very limited income and has some sort of special phone service where she has a VERY small bill, but she's only allowed x number of minutes a month. and where she's old and sweet, she can't find it in her heart to hang up on these people. so she wastes time with these people. what about her?

either way you look, no matter what ends up happening, one side won't be happy. i just wonder about this 1 judge...wonder if he got anything "under the table" for his ruling?

 

[Ghost]

under the table no but.....

I'll bet he does have stock in a telemarketting company! LOL!

 

[Kejtar]

Re: under the table no but.....

I'll bet he does have stock in a telemarketting company! LOL!

Let me ask this... does anyone have stock in any financial institution??? how about entertainment industry?? what about travel industry?? and not to speak about many other companies higher up the food chain...

Oh and if you have mutual funds you most likely have at least the financial institution...


Now guess what... if you do, you then have stock in a telemarketing institution.

Kejtar

 

[Ralph]

What I don't understand is if you have publically expressed that you do not want to be called and that you will not buy from someone that does by getting on a no-call-list, why telemarketers don't get the hint and respect your wishes. Also, wouldn't it be to their advantage to not waste their time on unproductive calls?

RR3