I think I've lost my mind.................well, more so than normal......

Deadman 94 xj said:
There's nothing wrong with sugar as long as it's limited and not after a certain time. Artificial sweetners tend to confuse the body which inturn can cause an insulin spike for no good reason. Not to mention the stuff is bad, it's artificial. You might as well drink liquid plastic lol.!
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Hmmm, im not so sure about that... Im a type 1 diabetic, I know thing or two about that...
 
XJEEPER said:
http://ezinearticles.com/?Soda/Soft-Drinks-Do-Not-Hydrate-Your-Body&id=362261

http://stanford.wellsphere.com/men-s-health-article/4-major-health-risk-s-of-drinking-soda/603694

http://www.investdaily.org/2008/02/13/a-question-is-soda-really-that-bad/
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Those webpages have a hint of truth, but are designed to scare you. Phosphoric acid does have a low pH, but only in its purest form. Diet Coke has a pH of about 3.5. Orange juice has a pH of 3.5-4.0

And as diet cola working as a diuretic is mostly true. The chemistry works a little differently in a Diabetic.

Lets take a trip back to Chem 101 here:
Who remembers what osmosis is? Its the flow of water across a semi-permeable membrane. In this exercise the membrane is your digestive tract.
Lets say this unfortunate diabetic has a blood glucose of 200mg/dl (2x what it should be)
Now they drink a diet cola, it starts moving across the membrane until it reaches equilibrium right. (If they drank only diet cola the equilibrium could be less than 100mg/dl, however your liver will kick in to stop this from happening)
So after all this has happened, the diabetic will have a lower blood glucose than when they started. Yes they will have to pee more, but it technically did not work as a diuretic since the person will have a higher blood volume.

Now im sure some of you are thinking "Why not just drink water?". Well it would solve all these problems but in reality, water gets boring. Plain and simple. I probably drink 2 or 3x the amount of fluid that normal people and if i limited myself to sugar free drinks, its pretty much water, or diet colas, or flavored water.
Pretty much Diet Coke is the only thing i enjoy drinking.

Aspartame: Is it bad? maybe. Is it going to be the first thing that kills me? no.


And Deadman: Pleeaaase pleaase pleease dont use you the "Its artifical = bad" argument. It is not logical in anyway.

Here is a list of bad and natural things:
Poisin Ivy
arsenic
bubonic plague
lightning
 
CherBear said:
And Deadman: Pleeaaase pleaase pleease dont use you the "Its artifical = bad" argument. It is not logical in anyway.

Here is a list of bad and natural things:
Poisin Ivy
arsenic
bubonic plague
lightning
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And here is a list of artificial things that are extremely awesome:
bacteria and virus free drinking water (apparently some crazies think the minute amounts of chlorine and fluorine are going to kill them and end the world as we know it. If you think that, have fun with the cholera, dysentery, and typhoid fever)
electronics-quality copper (you can thank it for your ability to discuss this topic with me right now.)
electronics-quality silicon (the only commodity really available at standard purities approaching ten or eleven nines. Again, you can thank this for your ability to discuss this right now)

Yeah, "if it isn't natural it must be bad" is a pretty retarded argument.
 
kastein said:
And here is a list of artificial things that are extremely awesome:
bacteria and virus free drinking water (apparently some crazies think the minute amounts of chlorine and fluorine are going to kill them and end the world as we know it. If you think that, have fun with the cholera, dysentery, and typhoid fever)
electronics-quality copper (you can thank it for your ability to discuss this topic with me right now.)
electronics-quality silicon (the only commodity really available at standard purities approaching ten or eleven nines. Again, you can thank this for your ability to discuss this right now)

Yeah, "if it isn't natural it must be bad" is a pretty retarded argument.
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Haha, thanks for the support.
 
CherBear said:
Those webpages have a hint of truth, but are designed to scare you.
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Interesting perspective, like......"Johnny, don't run across the street without looking both ways first, you could get killed by a car!"

Facts and data scare you?
http://www.blogbytravis.com/nutrition/why-are-sodas-bad-for-you/

http://www.formerfatguy.com/health/50-ways-to-drink-more-water/

Or perhaps educate you, but then again, what do I know......I'm no health major.......but I do know that when I used to consume cola on a daily basis it made me feel sluggish, made it harder for me to breathe when running or playing sports and the caffine is addictive, so I always wanted another Coke. I eventually switched to root beer.......lost the caffine, but still had the CO2 intake and the associated love handles.

10 years later, I consume no more than 2-3 12oz sodas a month, drink lots of water and eat as well as I can and at 44, enjoy good health and easily maintain 190lbs @ 6'2".

I snowboard, wakeboard, mtn bike, hike ,rock climb, play basketball, softball, volleyball, weight train....blah, blah, blah and hope to continue doing these activities for many years to come.
If that means I have to eat healthy, so be it. I could keel over tomorrow from a heart attack, but I'm enjoying life and not being restricted from doing the things I enjoy because I'm overweight or addicted to substances that have taken control of my body and dictate my lifestyle.........except for Halloween time, I can't get enough candy corn. :shhh:
 
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CherBear said:
And Deadman: Pleeaaase pleaase pleease dont use you the "Its artifical = bad" argument. It is not logical in anyway.

Here is a list of bad and natural things:
Poisin Ivy
arsenic
bubonic plague
lightning
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:D, enjoy your diet cola dude. I'm not alone in my way of thinking. I tend to not waist my time trying to explain things to some people. After all, stupid can't be fixed. ...and the artificial argument was a way of making a point. Others got it, sorry you and your buddy didn't. Enjoy your diet cola, you clearly love it. A million Americans can't be wrong...

bjoehandley, CONGRATS!
 
naturalnews, organicconsumers, and holisticmed aren't exactly the most unbiased of observers...

reading the sciencedaily one though. I don't recall if they're wackjobs or not.
 
kastein said:
naturalnews, organicconsumers, and holisticmed aren't exactly the most unbiased of observers...

reading the sciencedaily one though. I don't recall if they're wackjobs or not.
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Do you want me to post actual case studies? I assume you can come up with those on your own.

Could you explain what the benefit would be for these sites if they were trying to "scare" the public away from this crap? Other than possibly being true?

This isn't (all) politics here. Is having a concern for your health considered being green? Or, are you just arguing for the sake of arguing?
 
I just want to clarify myself here a bit :D.

It all comes down to personal choices. I could post up a gazillion articles implying the negative effects of aspartame, as well as other artificial sweeteners. I could also post the equal amount of articles implying opposite. This has been a major debate for a long time and both sides have convincing arguments. Although, it would be nice to see a long term study done based on the effects because one has not been done, yet.

I personally stay away from the stuff because of the simple fact that it is so controversial. I'm not trying to scare anyone that relies on these sweeteners on a daily basis. IMO, they should at least be limited, but who am I to tell people what they should or shouldn't be eating. It's all based on personal opinion and your nutritional goals.
 
I just don't like the way most things containing it taste... I can't stand diet soda. Also, my weight is presently not an issue so I just heap on the sugar :eyes:

Some things, like Sucrilose (pretty much chlorinated sucrose) I just can't stand to eat - I suspect I'd have a similar emotional/semi-informed reaction to Apartame et al if I looked into their chemical structure, but I haven't done so yet.

As far as the argument, I just hate seeing completely biased, wackjob sites cited. In my opinion they are far less credible than good scientific research because they (by their very nature) only cite information that backs up their point of view. Also, I saw on those sites that they were citing other sites like them - it's like a research paper edition of the old game "telephone", by the time the message gets from one end to the other it has been hacked up and twisted to fit everyone in the middle, you can't rely on it anymore. I've seen entire sets of websites dedicated to fringe technology that pretty much operated as a feedback loop, all of them linking to each other and very little of anything else, all while making some fairly dubious claims and a lot of conspiratorial accusations.

... I'll stop blathering now...
 
kastein said:
I just don't like the way most things containing it taste... I can't stand diet soda. Also, my weight is presently not an issue so I just heap on the sugar :eyes:

Some things, like Sucrilose (pretty much chlorinated sucrose) I just can't stand to eat - I suspect I'd have a similar emotional/semi-informed reaction to Apartame et al if I looked into their chemical structure, but I haven't done so yet.

As far as the argument, I just hate seeing completely biased, wackjob sites cited. In my opinion they are far less credible than good scientific research because they (by their very nature) only cite information that backs up their point of view. Also, I saw on those sites that they were citing other sites like them - it's like a research paper edition of the old game "telephone", by the time the message gets from one end to the other it has been hacked up and twisted to fit everyone in the middle, you can't rely on it anymore. I've seen entire sets of websites dedicated to fringe technology that pretty much operated as a feedback loop, all of them linking to each other and very little of anything else, all while making some fairly dubious claims and a lot of conspiratorial accusations.

... I'll stop blathering now...
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I agree. There are two sides to everything.

I started reading case studies (because I have nothing better to do here at work :D ) and found a lot of loop holes. I assumed that these case studies were unbiased btw. Many of them concluded that aspartame did have negative effects, on rats. But none could be found on actual humans.

I also found a few personal testimonies where the person stated that reducing aspartame made their headache go away. True or not, it's inconclusive. The major argument was that aspartame is a government conspiracy used for god knows what lol. I’m not getting into that one.

The other side's argument was that this stuff has been around since 1965. It was initially banned by the FDA and brought back by Rumsfeld 7 yrs later IIRC. So that’s quit a long time and I don’t see people dropping like flies here. There is also no conclusive evidence stating the effects on humans that I could find. There were only speculations, or correlations.

From what I gathered, large doses are harmful but the average daily intake is well within the FDA's recommended guidelines.
 
Deadman 94 xj said:
I agree. There are two sides to everything.

I started reading case studies (because I have nothing better to do here at work :D ) and found a lot of loop holes. I assumed that these case studies were unbiased btw. Many of them concluded that aspartame did have negative effects, on rats. But none could be found on actual humans.

I also found a few personal testimonies where the person stated that reducing aspartame made their headache go away. True or not, it's inconclusive. The major argument was that aspartame is a government conspiracy used for god knows what lol. I’m not getting into that one.

The other side's argument was that this stuff has been around since 1965. It was initially banned by the FDA and brought back by Rumsfeld 7 yrs later IIRC. So that’s quit a long time and I don’t see people dropping like flies here. There is also no conclusive evidence stating the effects on humans that I could find. There were only speculations, or correlations.

From what I gathered, large doses are harmful but the average daily intake is well within the FDA's recommended guidelines.
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That seems to be the only information I have gathered that has been from mostly unbiased sites.

You cant live your life sheltering yourself from every somewhat controversial thing linked to some government conspiracy. Otherwise we would all be un-vaccinated, wouldnt drink city water, and would never go outside for fear of chem-trails.

I realize that there are unhealthy or otherwise "bad" things I do, its just I would rather enjoy my life than trying to shelter myself from every possible negative.

I am type 1 Diabetic. There goes 7-8 years of my life. Bam. Gone. Im not going to waste my time trying to figure out what minor chemical or activity is going to let me live an extra five minutes.

Maybe the rest of you should realize that living well is more important than living long.
 
I need to try putting on some weight. I'm 6' and 135lbs. I've been trying to bulk up and I can't seem to get past 140.
 
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