I started a few petitions...

You have 5, 5, and 7 signatures respectively.
You better hit the streets if you want 25000 before the deadline.
Good luck with that.

And I would sign the English language thing, but my Mexican friends would kill me.
 
YOU stated a Petition to make AMERICAN ENGLISH the Official Language?

Now that is Ironic :D

Yeah, well, it would be easier to push for American English than British/Australian/International English - and the two languages are closely enough related that switching words isn't a problem - just usage differs (what we call "fries" the rest of the world calls "chips", what we call "chips" they call "crisps," you go to "knock up" a friend when you're banging on their door, and that sort of thing. You can imagine what happens when I'm working on a crossword of unknown origin!)

@420 - My Latino friends understand my viewpoint - and largely agree with me! They're figuring the same: if you're planning on living here instead of just visiting, you'd damned well better learn the language!
 
I just had to give you a hard time because of your propensity of using British English when posting here :D

I largely agree with the "Official" language thing.

Since this crap started of trying to cotton to people moving here "undocumented" and trying their up most not to fit in, we have wasted more darn money on extra education, signage, translators.

In the entire history of the US, we have never stooped so low to accomidate a single group of immigrants, documented or not.

I guess I just don't get the entire picture because this just confuses me.
 
I just had to give you a hard time because of your propensity of using British English when posting here :D

I largely agree with the "Official" language thing.

Since this crap started of trying to cotton to people moving here "undocumented" and trying their up most not to fit in, we have wasted more darn money on extra education, signage, translators.

In the entire history of the US, we have never stooped so low to accomidate a single group of immigrants, documented or not.

I guess I just don't get the entire picture because this just confuses me.

Not just here - everywhere. One thing that has to be done with my writing when it's targeted for publication is that my wife has to go through it and correct it back to American English (I can do it, but it takes her about a third the time. She doesn't have to switch dictionaries in her head all the time like I do.)

Don't get me started on the idea of being PC toward "undocumented immigrants." New Aztlan and the Reconquistas always try to paint it as a "race" issue - they always haul that out on me, and I have to explain that it is not a "race issue." I don't care what colour they are or where they come from - if they didn't follow a process, they're insulting the people who did.

The West Coast and roughly Western third of the US-Canada border is permeated by illegal Asian immigrants.

The Southwest (from about Baja to the Gulf delta of the Rio Grande) is unusually porous to Latino illegals (not just Mexicans - most of the illegals coming up through there are usually from Central America, to about Panama. They just come through Mexico.)

The Gulf Coast is permeated by Caribbeans, Cubans, Haitians, Jamaicans, et al - illegal as well.

The East Coast and the Eastern third or so of the US-Canada border gets penetrated by illegal Europeans and Africans.

The problem is that these people are all not here legally. Period. that is the matter to which I take exception. It's not a racial issue - if it were, I wouldn't get along so well with Blacks, Latinos, Asians, Caribs, ...

If you're going to move here and don't want to speak any variety of English, then hire your own damned translator (or get a bill from .gov for doing it for you.)

Signange, Forms, &c? Ditto - get your own translator, or pay us back for ours.

Need ESL courses? You get put into a dedicated ESL programme until you're competent/fluent, then you can get mainstreamed. Deal. Putting ESL students in the mainstream programme drags down the programme for everyone else.

The headache I have with the system is that, forty or fifty years ago, people would come to the United States and make every effort to assimilate. Learning English was their first priority - many of them would try to get rid of their accents (which I think is a pity - there are a number of accents I find quite enjoyable. (Most Caribbean languages, English/Irish/Scottish, Russian can sound good, some Northern African accents, and the like.)

I don't expect unaccented, fluent English in six months - not everyone can pick up languages that quickly. However, I do expect that you are able to communicate basic ideas (order lunch, find the pissoir, and the like,) and be able to build on that.
 
It's been a few days - may I bump?

Still not a lot of sigs, tho. I don't know if it's because the issues nearest and dearest to me aren't important for everyone else, or if people are worried about being put on a list.

For the latter, my philosophy is:
- I'm on a list anyhow. I'm on a whole bunch of lists. FBI, NCIC, DoD, DIS, Interpol, NSA, USSS/DoTreas, and Gawd only knows how many more. (I'm not a big international criminal - I've just had a history that brings official attention to myself.) So, why stop now?

- If it's important enough to talk about, it's important enough to put my proper name to. If "They" want to come talk to me about it, "They" are perfectly welcome to. Won't be the first time I've been "interviewed."

- If you don't do anything, noting you want to happen will happen. Gotta put forth an effort...
 
I hate to be such a pessimist here but the problem is none of this matters, there is 50% of Americans in the cart because they want to be. We are going to be just like Europe because that is what the people want, I have no doubt that this election was stolen, but going back to the 60s’ we have had dead people voting and there has always been enough votes to overcome the cheating.

Look I applaud your efforts but with the election that we just had all the petitions in the world will not get anything done. If you want to change things, get involved in your local elections, it is the only way to stop this. It is the only way progressives can be removed from both parties, but it will take a lot of work.

The other problem is the fact that progressives are whiners, when something happens they get real vocal, everyone else goes “oh well, there goes the media again”. I vote every day, I will not see a move with a commie nut job in it, no matter how good (not much chance of that) I will not buy a green day disk, I don’t care if progressive insurance can save me $500 a year, I will not do business with them, and my local media hates me.

This situation has been coming for the past 100 years, and it will take many years to fix.
 
Yeah, I really hate to bust any bubbles here, BUT these petitions are pretty much worthless. I've signed various others who have gotten hundreds of thousands of "signatures" and no one ever responded.

What you have to realize is that the GOVERNMENT made the website, the GOVERNMENT set the 25,000 "signature goal", and the GOVERNMENT ultimately decides if they WANT to respond or not. Who is going to make them respond, the government? Oh wait... It's all just a show to make us think we have some power in what happens in this country.

And don't get me wrong, I support all of the petitions you created. But remember, no matter what WE want, if the government and those few people in power don't agree, I can guarentee it won't happen...
 
Yeah, I figured as much when I did them. But, this puts the objection on record - which is a first step.

When I write to my Congresscritters about this subject, I'm just one guy.

If enough people can put their apathy and resignation aside, we can get enough momentum (I hope) to maybe have some movement happen.

I know that 25,000 out of the 300,000,000 or so isn't even a drop in the bucket - but 25,000 (or even 5,000, or 500) is still more than one.

I see this as a mechanism to get people together, and hopefully THAT can be a catalyst for change.

(Ease off on the pessimism, please. I've got enough of my own, being a full-time cynic... :))
 
Yeah, I figured as much when I did them. But, this puts the objection on record - which is a first step.

When I write to my Congresscritters about this subject, I'm just one guy.

If enough people can put their apathy and resignation aside, we can get enough momentum (I hope) to maybe have some movement happen.

I know that 25,000 out of the 300,000,000 or so isn't even a drop in the bucket - but 25,000 (or even 5,000, or 500) is still more than one.

I see this as a mechanism to get people together, and hopefully THAT can be a catalyst for change.

(Ease off on the pessimism, please. I've got enough of my own, being a full-time cynic... :))

Agreed 100%. That's why I hate when people complain about how bad the country is and still choose to do nothing to fix it. I also write to my Congress people on issues I feel strongly about; because that is a level where WE can make a difference. And I encourage everyone else too if they have the time.

And your right, it's all about baby steps. Every major movement in history started off with one person or idea...
 
Agreed 100%. That's why I hate when people complain about how bad the country is and still choose to do nothing to fix it. I also write to my Congress people on issues I feel strongly about; because that is a level where WE can make a difference. And I encourage everyone else too if they have the time.

And your right, it's all about baby steps. Every major movement in history started off with one person or idea...

Yep - and we're definitely behind the eight-ball on this one, since the other side (of firearms and language issues) are organised and entrenched.

For language, we're going to be fighting New Aztlan, Reconquistas, and various Hispanic advocacy groups (since they're continually trying to realign immigration and language issues as "race issues" - which they are not.)

For firearms, we're fighting the Violence Policy Centre, whatever the Brady Bunch calls themselves, other national organisations, and liberal college professors (I went roundy-rounds with my ERWT instructor at De Anza a few years back - I think it cranked her off really hard because I'd appeal to the Department Dean. And win.)

We've got to start somewhere and somehow. Wasn't it Franklin who said, "If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything?"
 
"If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything", you keep quoting this... But get over it, our views dont align, stop saying i dont stand for anything.

We both know you guys dont have shit for a plan.... the last 2 elections showed that.

Here's your plan that i see.
1- guns,
2- guns,
3-STOP SPEAKING YOUR OWN LANGUAGE! THIS IS AMERICA!!!!

SHITS WEAK DUDE. Get into politics, you'll find out we have a million problems with our democracy, very few of which involve guns. I live in cali, I have guns. Is there firearm laws in cali that dont make sense? sure. But the rest of the country ignores the problem. LA LA LA! I CANT SEE YOUR GUN VIOLENCE IM TOO BUSY LISTENING TO RUSH AND BECK LA LA LA!

Like smog, cali enacts over reaching laws to do something about it, while the rest of the country ignores it completely. Now texas has the worst smog in the nation. Enjoy suckers.
Doing something is allways better than ignoring the problem, to let jesus fix it.

Get real, or get used to loosing elections. You guys are right, the country HAS changed, this isnt 1950.

So, long story short, i cant help but LOL at your 5 signatures.
 
"If you don't stand for something, you'll stand for anything", you keep quoting this... But get over it, our views dont align, stop saying i dont stand for anything.

We both know you guys dont have shit for a plan.... the last 2 elections showed that.

Here's your plan that i see.
1- guns,
2- guns,
3-STOP SPEAKING YOUR OWN LANGUAGE! THIS IS AMERICA!!!!

SHITS WEAK DUDE. Get into politics, you'll find out we have a million problems with our democracy, very few of which involve guns. I live in cali, I have guns. Is there firearm laws in cali that dont make sense? sure. But the rest of the country ignores the problem. LA LA LA! I CANT SEE YOUR GUN VIOLENCE IM TOO BUSY LISTENING TO RUSH AND BECK LA LA LA!

Like smog, cali enacts over reaching laws to do something about it, while the rest of the country ignores it completely. Now texas has the worst smog in the nation. Enjoy suckers.
Doing something is allways better than ignoring the problem, to let jesus fix it.

Get real, or get used to loosing elections. You guys are right, the country HAS changed, this isnt 1950.

So, long story short, i cant help but LOL at your 5 signatures.

Did I specifically aim that at you? And, I'm involved in political discussions in a number of places - if I get my wires crossed and put the same quote in a thread two times, gimme a break. I lose track.

If you think "gun control" regs help reduce crime, I can't help but wonder what you're thinking. Track the increase in crimes against the person against the progression of gun control. I'm not going to give you sources - but the information is readily available, you should have no trouble finding it (go back to original sources, they're easy enough to find. Don't rely on political commentators or someone's opinion -that why I'm not going to point to anything for you. You'd accuse me of being biased.)

Gun control laws are supposed to reduce crime. We've created several class of "prohibited possessor" - beginning with felons in GCA68. Does that work?

Not even close.

Repealing GCA68 et seq. will make more progress in reducing crimes against the person than taking away tools of self-defense ever will.

Ergo, rescission of GCA68 et seq. isn't about guns - it's about crime.

NFA34 should be repealed because it's a useless law, has been implemented using the principle of "constructive intent" (essentially, "constructive intent" = "if you have something we say you shouldn't have, you're going to use it to do something you shouldn't do - whether you plan to or not.) Ex: there's a device which can be retrofit into the AR-15 (with a few readily-available parts) called a "Drop-In Auto Scear." It's a simple assembly of aluminum & steel about the size of two sugar cubes.

It's useless without an AR-15 - and it won't work with the AR-15 bolt carrier. You have to use an M16 bolt carrier to work with the DIAS.

Yet there have been people convicted of ownership of an "unregistered machine gun" - because they have a DIAS assembly, even though they didn't have a rifle to put it in!

Leaving aside the crimp that NFA34 has put into development of effective small arms in the United States. The M60 was the first Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW) to not be designed by a private gunsmith (the Gatling, the various Maxims, the M1918, M1919, and M2 - the most effective military small arms were developed by individuals working in their own shops. And don't forget the M1, M1 Carbine, M14, and M16/M4.)

The M60 was also the worst machine gun we've had in the inventory. It has since been replaced (thankfully,) but it's been replaced by a Belgian design (FN Minimi.)

For 25-30 years, field units were being saddled with an ineffective and badly-designed SAW. Soldiers have been killed because of the bad design and function of the M60. It jams. The movable sight is on the receiver, instead of on the barrel - change the barrel, and you change your point of aim (and therefore miss.)

Oh - and the tentative replacement for the M16 - the OICW - is primarily designed by H&K. A German firm. (I have nothing against the Germans or the Belgians - but I think we should use designs produced domestically for our armed forces. Note that the issue sidearm is a Beretta - Italian - or sometimes an H&K - German. The M1911 was a domestic design - Browning. We used it as regular issue for - what? - 75-80 years?)

One small thing I can agree with the Europeans on - did you know that it's generally considered "rude" to discharge a firearm at an organised range without a suppressor attached? They're encouraged over there, effectively illegal over here (yes, I know, they can be privately owned. But, getting a Form 4 approved for one is a b****, and the annual inspections are just so much fun - if you own something that they can't find on their list, you'd better have your original Form 4 to support the fact that you own it legally. Yep - if they lose the record, the burden of proof is on you. This is for anything that requires a Form 4 - suppressors, short-barreled rifles, short-barreled shotguns, pistols with shoulder stocks, fully-automatic or select-fire firearms, "artifact" firearms, and Any Other Weapon [something that isn't on the C&R list, and doesn't fit into any other category.)

NFA34 is poorly-written, poorly-implemented, and has been used to make felons out of people who have no criminal intent whatever.

Moreover, it was originally "regulation by taxation" - a $200 transfer tax on a suppressor that cost five dollars to make, or on a WWII Sten gun (which cost ~$20 to make in '42) - what do you think?

It needs to go.

As far as the "official language" think - that's more a cost measure than anything else. You don't think all of these documents are translated for free, do you? Or just happen to print themselves in thirty or forty languages?

While we're about it - next time you go into DMV, see how many languages CA DMV prints the driver's handbook in. How likely is it you're going to get pulled over by a cop who happens to speak Arabic, Farsi, Greek, Tagalog, Vietnamese, ...? (I know, the latter are more likely - but it's far from universal.)

If you're going to be here long enough to need a driver's license, you'd better be at least functional in English. For your own sake.

Instead of belittling someone for having ideas, how about you actually analyze them first, and see if they don't make sense? What you see on the surface may not be the primary motivation - and I've got more ideas that would make sense, if implemented.
 
My favorite prophetic quote “ a republic….if you can keep it” , that second part has a nasty sting right about now. Personally I like the face to face, force your elected official to do town halls and get in their face. I have no problems with debate and I believe it is good for elected officials to know they must face the people they are serving, little fear keep you honest.
 
My favorite prophetic quote “ a republic….if you can keep it” , that second part has a nasty sting right about now. Personally I like the face to face, force your elected official to do town halls and get in their face. I have no problems with debate and I believe it is good for elected officials to know they must face the people they are serving, little fear keep you honest.

I'd love to, and I invariably close my letters to them with "I am available to discuss this matter further," but I only seem to get boilerplate form letters, maybe two out of three times.

Lofgren's office is around here somewhere (I have to look it up,) but good luck getting hold of Boxer or Feinstein - they're definitely not local.
 
Oh no, I did no realize you are in the people’s republic of California, man you are screwed, either run or grab ankles.

Yeah. I feel like an "Expatriated American" here.

If it weren't for the asininity coming out of Sacramento and the general Leftward lean around here, I wouldn't mind overmuch. I love the availability of microclimates that can be found with a day's drive - mountains, plains, lakes, rivers, beaches, deserts, snow, ...

But, I feel like there should be a passport tucked in behind my driver's license whenever I go anywhere.

You can imagine what political discussions get like, if I get involved. Oddly, I'm the only one that remains calm (showing that "leaning to the Left" tends to be emotional and reflexive, while "leaning to the Right" is more rational and contemplative.)

That's why I've changed my location to "Hammerspace" - I've long gotten tired of being accused of being "Californian." I'm an American of Scottish extraction who happens to be in California. Frankly, I think CA should be split into three states:
- San Angeles (SF Metro, LA Metro, and possibly the northern parts of San Diego. Include University campuses.)
- Northern California (Norfh of San Francisco, not including the North Bay Area - Larkspur and the like)
- California Valley (the Central Valley - where the farms and livestock work, and people can actually think.)

Then, allow San Angeles to secede from the United States and go on their merry way - just let my wife and me escape first (we promise we "won't bring California with us" - we actually will be leaving because we're tired of California!)

Ex: California had the only city which has a law specifically addressing nuclear explosions: the City of Davis, CA has a law forbidding "the detonation of nuclear explosive devices within City limits."

The fine? $500. Considering what has to be put into funding research into nuclear ordnance, that would barely qualify as a line item under "field testing." It would be worth it to erase UC Davis anyhow... Pay whoever's left the $500 and call it a day...

("Hammerspace" is a known principle in cartoon physics - relative to the "portable hole" found in fantasy gaming. Often used by characters who lack pockets, but also applies to characters who pull improbably large objects out of pockets that are obviously too small to hold them. When they produce such an object, they've reached into "hammerspace." Named for the stupid large wooden mallets that Bugs Bunny would pull out of "pockets" in his fur...)
 
I know what you are saying, once a year the wife and 8yr old hound me to go to Disneyland, and as much as I bitch about it I got to admit, I really love the coast, and I have wanted to live there since I was a kid watching Rockford files with the family. Last year I even put on my “I am a nerd” badge and forced everyone to go to Paradise Cove for dinner, just to check it out. The fact is moving my business to CA is flat out death wish, I am not willing to risk it.

As someone that has had enough of lefties from your state moving to my state and voting for the same crap that screwed up your state, may I suggest you consider an escape to freedom, and a chance to offset some votes, in Utah. If you get home sick we have pinko-lefties here, we keep them locked up in concentration camps, one camp is called Park City, and sadly the other one is called Moab.
 
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