I hate Macs!

[Darky]

I tried to put OSX on my Emac. Tech a-hole swooped in late at night and took it off. No new software is allowed to be uploaded either - even education stuff. Our network is also super tight because of the kids surfing porn, gore and games.

91Jeep - if school provided me a set-up like yours I would stop my bitching and eat my words. Until then Macs will remain on my sh!tlist...

This doesn't sound at all like Mac's problem...You put nerw software on that isn't allowed on. Sure its good, helpful and makes perfect sense to use, but their network won't allow it. That's the fault of the network. They have to keep things somewhat even in order to make sure everything works together. The kids surf stuff they're not allowed to. That's the kids and their parent's fault. However, in the Marine Corps they had stuff locked down pretty tight on the work computers and while they sucked (damn Dells) the network settings didn't damage the computers or cause them to crash...Now at Best Buy, our guys go through and clean our computers out regularly when ever we upload music into them. We like music while closing or opening. Not allowed on the network, not the fault of the PCs...

Now you're using old Macs, and they suck. You're going to say all Macs suck until your school ponies up to buy new ones? Sure old macs may suck but they're also generally looked upon as the superior, more stable machine overall. I was talking to a Mac rep the other day and he admitted PCs are better for gaming, but overall, Macs are the better machine.

 

[Darky]

The sysadmins do that to keep people from installing whatever software they want to because that would all kinds of problems for them. You may only be installing good stuff, but the guy in the next class might be installing infected or non-compliant software.

 

[CanMan]

Why is there a picture of my Woman on your computer?

 

[againstherwill]

Wow. Let's see if I get this correct. You install new OS on the schools machine and you didn't get your ass handed to you with your hat and a slip of paper that tells you where the unemployement office is? Tenure must be nice. No wonder the public schools are so f'd up. If you did this in the real world or to one of my networks (15 at last count- xserver, windows, unix) I would be the first one in your principle's office reading him/her the network policy manual and how it was their responsibility to keep their staff in check and that if she/he didn't keep track of their employees my next stop would be at the district office complaining to his/her boss about them.

Network policies are not for the user they are for the administration to make sure the users can't do bs like you tried.

That being if you REALLY want things done to help the students READ the NETWORK POLICY and see where it doesn't fit for what you need to teach. Then get all of the rest of you tenured colleages to agree in writing. Then present it to your principle stating that the current policy is hampering you performing your job. If that fails take it to the parents and let them bitch about it and see what happens. Of course any action you take other then doing nothing will get you labelled as a trouble maker -watch out tenure.

 

[d10shun]

Man, what fun is it playing by the rules? Tenured - nope. Most of us hate the main guy at the IT dept anyway. About 4 teachers have brought their PC from home and somehow hooked it up to the network. They can do attendance and grades from it. At night they hook the network cable back to their mac.

 

[Root Moose]

Man, what fun is it playing by the rules? Tenured - nope. Most of us hate the main guy at the IT dept anyway. About 4 teachers have brought their PC from home and somehow hooked it up to the network. They can do attendance and grades from it. At night they hook the network cable back to their mac.

This is a good way to get your network drop deactivated at the switch.

 

[againstherwill]

Just what I was going to say.

But if you really what to get the IT going go for a scavenger hunt and find the closest Jack that is behind a desk or bookcase. Go to bestbuy and get a wireless access point and configure it to work only during school hours. It will piss them off to no end when the see traffic to that port during the day but not at night and then go to find the physical jack. Did this to my boss as a practical joke on one of his networks to see how long it took him to find it. Took a whole week. WHen he found it he KNEW he had been setup.

 

[mdl]

I'm a teacher and the only friggin computers the district uses is Macs. Oh, let me take that back. The attendace lady gets a trustworthy PC. Can't mess her computer!!! This morning my computer locked up because it wouldn't let me copy documents from my jump drive. Open too many windows = crash. Look at it funny = crash. Type a huge document without saving every 2 minutes = crash.

Server is slow = slow computers. WTF? Our server was replaced with a temp older/slower one. Somehow this slowed my computer while typing. I would type a sentence and 5 seconds later it would appear. Powerpoints I have made with my home PC rarely work on the Microsoft version of p.p.

Aghhhh. I f-ing hate them!

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak eat a fat one!

What are you a knob? This sounds like an ID10T issue.


you obviously dont understand computers very well at all. The proccessing power bands between a RISC and a SISC CPU are so extrordonarily different its insane. Computers just dont "crash" for stupid shit they were designed for. If you have an incompatable product with the vesion of OS you are running you will obviously have problems.

Server is slow = slow computers. WTF? Our server was replaced with a temp older/slower one. Somehow this slowed my computer while typing.

Umm... this isnt even possible. Your just dumb so you made the correlation between these two issues.

First of all get some training.
Second of all.. do some research before you open your mouth and sound like a knob http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page
Third of all windows is trash. I dont even run windows on my PCs. You dont even seem to understand just because a machine is a MAC or a PC that it is the operating system that handles everything you complained about. Maybe your dumbass should rename this thread "EARLY VERSIONS OF MAC OS SUCK" because the early versions do. You are deffinatly not running anything 10 or above.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noob See the "social rejection" part.

Social rejection
In some contexts, such as on Usenet and in multiplayer video games, newbies are discouraged from the group. Newbies may ask questions that seem extremely simple to experienced users, or disrupt normal order with their lack of skills or etiquette in a certain type of technology. For example, video game players may dislike newbies because they think newbies will hurt or bring down the collective efforts of a team game. Usenet posters may dislike newbies for bringing up off-topic discussion or violating netiquette.

In some groups, the term "newbie" is used by experienced users to refer to any newcomer, whether the newcomer acts ignorantly or not. In this case, the regulars assert their position with a sort of hazing (sometimes called pwning in video games).

In some MMORPGs a newbie is anyone who is lower-leveled than the person making the remark, regardless of actual time spent playing the game. (For example, a level 30 player in World of Warcraft may consider a level 10 player a newbie.) Some forums and MMORPGs have banned some of the more common spelling variations ("newb", "nub", "noob", "n00b") in an attempt to reduce flame wars. This has, of course, led to more variations.

Referring to regular members as newbies is often considered to be highly insulting. The implication is that they are behaving as if they do not know the rules when in fact they have had more than sufficient opportunity to learn them.

Example of real "noob talk":

OMG LOLOLOLO U SUK!!!!!!!11
OMFG R U SERIUS??? <<PERSON>> IS SUCH A NEWBIEz0r$!!!1!!!11!!!1!

or found on

I'm a teacher and the only friggin computers the district uses is Macs. Oh, let me take that back. The attendace lady gets a trustworthy PC. Can't mess her computer!!! This morning my computer locked up because it wouldn't let me copy documents from my jump drive. Open too many windows = crash. Look at it funny = crash. Type a huge document without saving every 2 minutes = crash.

Server is slow = slow computers. WTF? Our server was replaced with a temp older/slower one. Somehow this slowed my computer while typing. I would type a sentence and 5 seconds later it would appear. Powerpoints I have made with my home PC rarely work on the Microsoft version of p.p.

Aghhhh. I f-ing hate them!

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak eat a fat one!

OMG!!11!1!1!1! J00 G0 eatzz a f4t 1 d10shun

 

[Root Moose]

Just what I was going to say.

But if you really what to get the IT going go for a scavenger hunt and find the closest Jack that is behind a desk or bookcase. Go to bestbuy and get a wireless access point and configure it to work only during school hours. It will piss them off to no end when the see traffic to that port during the day but not at night and then go to find the physical jack. Did this to my boss as a practical joke on one of his networks to see how long it took him to find it. Took a whole week. WHen he found it he KNEW he had been setup.

If you really want to raise the ire of a b0fh this is the perfect way to go. Good luck getting paid.

If you did this on my site I would make your life a living hell until you left or were pro/demoted out of a job wth compute resource access.

 

[yardape]

I've read with great interest.

I have a homebrew Windows XP machine and a G4 Mac. Not being much of a network guru I can say this. For my purposes both OS's have arrived at a point that unless you screw them up they run pretty flawlessly and both have their merits. Yes there are compatability issues with Powerpoints and so forth but when you live in the working world, fighting the system just doesn't pay. Its just not smart to fight your network admin people who are there to keep the system working in spite of you doing foolish things like trying to load and install software and in spite of the fact that they are not given deep enough pockets to upgrade your system to the newest and finest every 6 months. Conversely its just not smart to try and distribute Powerpoints for Mac when the rest of the world uses PP for Windows,... unless you're trying to protect the material.

No matter what, Windows by and large has the greatest market share and will probably continue to do so for some time to come. Its debatable which OS is "better" because they outshine each other in different areas. What i don't think is reasonable is to blame an operating system, unless it was pre Win95 for creating havoc on the desktop. Usually that is more likely caused by the human hand.

 

[againstherwill]

If you really want to raise the ire of a b0fh this is the perfect way to go. Good luck getting paid.

If you did this on my site I would make your life a living hell until you left or were pro/demoted out of a job wth compute resource access.

Root, that is exactly what I am talking about. When you run multiple networks and are the management company you have to do silly stuff to get your co-workers and even boss. Its not like we have the cube/office mates to do stupid things to their desk or something and Obvioulsy I bumbed down the setup for this discussion and its not like d10sen is going to have the knowledge to do it and not get caught.

 

[Root Moose]

Agreed. I just wanted to make the distincion that for a user to get involved in something like that is a "really bad idea" <tm>. Between noc staff is a different matter.

 

[Beej]

This Thread:

Computers suck.


Ned Ludd was right...

 

[Root Moose]

Computers suck.

Yep. If it didn't pay so well it would be better to be doing something else.

 

[casm]

Man, what fun is it playing by the rules?

Simple. If you don't play by the rules, you can be fired. Granted, if you're in a gubmint job this may not apply (or take aeons to accomplish), but there are other ways to make your life hell while you're still there.

I'm a network security engineer. Part of my job is to ensure the continuous operation of the network through creation and enforcement of usage policies. And part of those policies define punitive actions in the event of a user deliberately trying to circumvent them; this can be anything from their manager telling them to knock it off right up to being fired.

If you had to sign an Acceptable Use Policy when you started there (or at some other point), you may want to check it and see what the potential repercussions of your actions may be. If someone's got a grudge against you, this may be all the ammo they need to start making your life difficult; I've worked in local government in the past so have a fairly decent idea of how politically-motivated people tend to work in these situations.

Yep. If it didn't pay so well it would be better to be doing something else.

Amen to that, brother.

"This isn't so bad - working outside, making some bucks..."

 

[Root Moose]

Simple. If you don't play by the rules, you can be fired. Granted, if you're in a gubmint job this may not apply (or take aeons to accomplish), but there are other ways to make your life hell while you're still there.

See, gov't has it's perks. Making a person go through hell indefinately has its perks. But then, I wouldn't know anything about that.

 

[d10shun]

Computer geeks - simmer down sheesh!

Wow! I didn't know computer geeks had such a flame under their seat! I did a little venting - get over it. It is true I know very little about computers but I know when they don't work and mine works well rarely. As far as the server goes, it was replaced with a slower one for a few weeks. During that time frame ALL of the computers operated 3-5 seconds slow. The office was on a separate server and was unaffected. Helix sit on your lightsaber and choke on a fat one

 

[tetsulo]

i have had macs since i was in 3rd grade. would NEVER even consider a PC.....(WHICH, FOR ALL YOU PC USERS WHO THINK ITUNES GREAT AND YOU ARE SO SPECIAL, IT IS INFINTELY BETTER ON MAC. IT WAS NOT MADE FOR YOU, IT HAS JUST BEEN ADAPTED TO FEED YOUR CONFORMING MINDS.), and do everything else.

Wait a minute...exactly who has a conforming mind?

There is one thing I cannot do that Windows users can, and that is play badasss games.

Oh wait, they just switched to intel chips, which solves that..

I still haven't seen developers line up to make games for Macs now you can get them on Intel. Not that they won't but lets let the market and the platform stabilize before making such grandiose sweeping statements.

And even though the OS is not changing, a lot of poeple seem to think its not a Mac with an Intel chip and that it is going to become a pc..............is an XJ with a v8 swap still an xj, or has it now become a 4runner? I don' t think so. Same rig, different motor.

Good analogy--How open/tweakable of a framework is a Mac vs it's PC counterpart? I've built plenty of PC's in my lifetime, for myself, my friends, and for business. How many Macs have been built choosing each level of component based on a cost/performance ratio? Mac users often tell me they bought the most expensive model they could as a way of explaining their performance metric/expectations from the computer. You can really only buy Macs as they come configured from the Apple. The subset of options is very small.

I ran Virtual PC for awhile to play counter strike with my friends (for those who dont know waht virtual pc is- im way too lazy to explain) - I find it slightly ironic that Windows received the blue screen of death on my Mac, and i simply force quit virtual pc, and continued with everything else i was doing.

Wow -- Your running emulation software to run Windows to play a game and automatically leap to the conclusion that the crash is due to Windows or the game, NOT due to the emulation layer? It's nice that you were able to gracefully quit the application (Emulation Layer) and move on. But guess what -- PC users have been doing that for years as well.

I like Macs, (and even have friends that use Macs). I have no problems sitting in front of their computer, or they mine. I do get comments regarding the 'speed' of my rig vs theirs. And don't think the swap to Intel will singlehandedly eliminate that.

Matthew

 

[mdl]

Re: Computer geeks - simmer down sheesh!

Wow! I didn't know computer geeks had such a flame under their seat! I did a little venting - get over it. It is true I know very little about computers but I know when they don't work and mine works well rarely. As far as the server goes, it was replaced with a slower one for a few weeks. During that time frame ALL of the computers operated 3-5 seconds slow. The office was on a separate server and was unaffected. Helix sit on your lightsaber and choke on a fat one

wait wait wait... are you serious? you took me seriously? I was joking...




Really i was joking about the knob flame part but you should take some computer classes. Macs are also your friend

 

[casm]

Re: Computer geeks - simmer down sheesh!

Wow! I didn't know computer geeks had such a flame under their seat!

Years of administering networks jammed with users doing stupid things will do that to anyone.

I did a little venting - get over it.

Venting's fine. Thing is, you're venting in the wrong direction. Consider the following: you've been lumped with an OS that's substandard (at best). What's causing 90% of your problems comes down to the fact that OS9 is not a paragon of stability or usability; whoever's keeping that on life support over there should be shot.

Having said that, your admins have done the right thing in locking down your network. I only wish we could get that level of lockdown here without it taking six months to implement; most of the problems we have to respond to would go away overnight. And yes, it's end users who introduce the vast majority of those problems.

Example: I seized a machine last week that had - for the third time in two weeks - become infected with some AIM-borne piece of malware. The user's response when asked why he clicked a suspicious link despite having had two dry runs already on not doing this: "I click on links, it's what I do, and I'm going to keep clicking on links." As far as I know, desktop support still hasn't got around to reimaging his machine...

It is true I know very little about computers but I know when they don't work and mine works well rarely.

OK, *yours* works badly. Is anyone else experiencing the same problems? Have you had your support people look into it? Is this a machine you inherited from someone else, complete with all the crap they may have loaded onto it? Believe me, I understand the frustration of having a broken tool rather than a usable one, but what steps have been taken thus far to remedy the situation? Yeah, they've given you a lousy OS to work with, but that's like complaining that the car you bought for $200 won't pass smog.

As far as the server goes, it was replaced with a slower one for a few weeks. During that time frame ALL of the computers operated 3-5 seconds slow.

Sounds like the server supporting stuff outside of the office took a dump and they had to scramble to get something in place to keep people working while it was replaced. Sucks, but it does happen.