How soon until cruise missiles strike Iran?

[Slonopotam]

The basic services being built are facilities Americans take for granted: access to medical facilities, fire stations, neighborhood schools, paved roads, clean water, sewage treatment, irrigation, and so on.

Neighborhood schools are a disaster, but otherwise correct.

A laundry list of projects includes building 10,045 schools in the country,

If the schools were not there before, where they are going to take so many teachers ?

Prior to March 2003, “much of Iraq received four to eight hours of power a day, with Baghdad receiving 16 to 22 hours of power,” he said. “Today, electricity is distributed much more equitably around Iraq with much of the country receiving 10 to 12 hours of power.” He said Baghdad remains a problem, receiving six to seven hours of power daily.

I wonder how much electricity Iraq was producing before 1990. How much it would have produced, if Israel did not destroy it's only nuclear facility ?

My opinion, we are building the infrastructure they would never be able to support, we are trying to make them as much depended on our help, as possible. This is what we are succeeding in.

However, security concerns have caused problems with more than 17,000 kilometers of transmission lines that are often insurgent targets, he added.

And this is going to go away by magic, just like North Korea stopped stupid launches after Rise visited China.

Andrey

 

[Glenn B]

So, no matter what good news you are made aware of, you still see the negative? Maybe you can get a new job with Hillary and her bid for office?

 

[Slonopotam]

So, no matter what good news you are made aware of, you still see the negative? Maybe you can get a new job with Hillary and her bid for office?

Does 'negative' mean 'chance of improvement' ?

I am sorry if all my questions sounded a bit harsh, let me try to rephrase.

Does 'building a school' mean sufficient activity to actually open the school, is finding/training the staff included in the project ?

Is there a feasible plan to address insurgency damaging communications and power lines ?

Is there a plan on increasing power supply ahead of demand ? 6 hours a day basically means 25% demand is satisfied, which means all the infrastructure runs very inefficiently.

As to Iraq being dependent on our help, I would not see it as a negative as soon as I put myself on the receiving side of the money stream, which is not going to happen anytime soon. Until then I see my taxes going through 'rebuilding Iraq' to companies providing products and services over there, instead of going to colledge grants, financing public schools and so on.

Andrey

 

[Glenn B]

Until then I see my taxes going through 'rebuilding Iraq' to companies providing products and services over there, instead of going to colledge grants, financing public schools and so on.

Andrey

Well then, that sums it up. You will have to wait until your party is in office, we will see how they do. BTW, WTF is "colledge grants"? Do you mean social welfare? If so, piss on that.

The companies providing products and services.... you do understand that that means jobs and wages? Jobs are a good thing, M'kay! Better than outsourcing to a sewer like India, IMHO.

 

[Slonopotam]

Well then, that sums it up. You will have to wait until your party is in office, we will see how they do.

I do not have a party yet.

BTW, WTF is "colledge grants"? Do you mean social welfare? If so, piss on that.

I think I have to take it back. Annual tuition at San Jose State is 5000 or so.
I can afford it without a grant for a couple of kids. Hopefully my salary will keep up with inflation.

The companies providing products and services.... you do understand that that means jobs and wages? Jobs are a good thing, M'kay! Better than outsourcing to a sewer like India, IMHO.

Yes, I do. Do you understand that I could use those services here ?

Andrey

 

[Glenn B]

I do not have a party yet.

So do you vote?

I think I have to take it back. Annual tuition at San Jose State is 5000 or so.
I can afford it without a grant for a couple of kids. Hopefully my salary will keep up with inflation.

That seems like a fair price for that school

Yes, I do. Do you understand that I could use those services here ?
Andrey

Huh?

 

[Slonopotam]

So do you vote?

I am not even a permanent resident yet.

That seems like a fair price for that school

I am not sure what's fair and what's not, but it seems affordable.

Pre-colledge education is more troubling, as there is only one good elementary school in Santa Clara and admission is by lottery.

Huh?

Aga.

 

[Glenn B]

Aga.

Baaga Booh!

 

[Powerman]

So, no matter what good news you are made aware of, you still see the negative? Maybe you can get a new job with Hillary and her bid for office?

But who is to say that news is true? Both sides spew propaganda. All I read is that I should see the pictures. So what. And I'm really not debating the article, or politics with you. The article is of good stuff and certainly good news, but surely it goes against the sum of the news that is heard.

OK, you want to complain of the liberal media? Am I supposed to believe that the administration has been doing wonderful things for 4 years. That much progress is being made, and we are winning the war on terror, yet they just can't get the story out to the American public? That makes no sense. There are plenty of left and right wing news organizations out there. It can't be a perfect cover up. Ask Rumsfeld. He was doing a great job, but ABC got him fired???

So what are we supposed to believe? I hear what I hear and check it against my gut. Same thing with Iran. Are they on the move, or is it just more spin? What I know is that any evidence can be fabricated to go to war. What is a complete shock to me is that the administration could not do a better job of fabricating WMDs in Iraq. I'm serious. I can't believe it only took 3 years to find out that was a sham. It upsets me when the most powerful country in the world can't make up shit better than that.

 

[XJEEPER]

Is the army the right tool to teach Iraqis to love each other ?

Could you point out the success in Iraq ?

How far behind petroleum is it ?
I think 24% can be trusted as an unofficial indication of inflation. Scary, isn't it ?

I remember I received a bill from hospital this year. The bill stated something like 'original charges 15000', then 'negotiated amount 3000', then 'paid by insurance 2000'.
My point is that NOBODY pays the prices they used to get that 21 billion. You can scale is down by 5 at least.
I also remember a story how some CEO was scamming the industry geniusly shovelling workload between two hospitals north west coast. I bet it was a few billions.

What don't you like about them spending the money elsewhere ?

I did not mean that. I know a few people and their stories and it looks like the market of professional services is much more protected than the low-educated jobs market. That might be done intentionally to keep salaries of educated workers higher than those of ones with lower levels of education. This is it.

Unlikely, but how my former boss put it, those are different accounts.

Andrey

You seem to have all the answers, Andrey......or just have lots of free time to read. What's your major?

 

[ROOK1]

Because they don't care.

Religion is such a farce. Until people FINALLY figure that out, we'll have problems. Why must everyone catch me up in it?

I have nothing more to add to this but I had to quote it, as it spot on and it is worth seeing again.

 

[Slonopotam]

You seem to have all the answers, Andrey......or just have lots of free time to read. What's your major?

Computer Science. I had good teachers.

 

[Slonopotam]

Ask Rumsfeld. He was doing a great job, but ABC got him fired???

Well, you either recognize your own faults, or you blame everything on bad implementation and emphasize that your actions as a leader are correct by promoting Rice. Either way public has to eat somebody.

Same thing with Iran. Are they on the move, or is it just more spin?

The second.

What is a complete shock to me is that the administration could not do a better job of fabricating WMDs in Iraq. ... It upsets me when the most powerful country in the world can't make up shit better than that.

It's big. It can be ignorant.

 

[XJEEPER]

Computer Science. I had good teachers.

Yawn.........

 

[Ghost]

100% agreement...

write the date down.

See we can agree and get along! I do think they should have flung missles back in the 70's at Iran or given Sadam the ability to irradicate them while they were killing each other back then. That is our problem today and after Vietnam, we have cold feet and are afraid to flex the big stick. JMHO of course. Of course hinesight is 20/20.

 

[Boatwrench]

Yawn.........

and that folks is why we are in the predicament we are in, folks mollified (asleep) into a false sense of security over the last 50 years. Our attention span is seven minutes thanks to the time between sitcom commercials and murders are solved, criminals convicted and sentenced in less than an hour. As long as we can drive the SUV (or Prius) at less tha $3 per gallon, drink a latte and watch the Packers life is good.

The public is allowed that because (thank you Col Jessop) we have folks sitting up on the wall.

Andrey brings a fresh approach, a different view because he's an immigrant who was not spoon fed American Bravado by watching John Wayne or Rambo Saturday afternoon movies. In my opinion, he has some of the best posts in this thread and we could all learn a lot from what he's saying.

Recommend reading newspaper websites from across the world, Sydney, London, New Delhi, Hong Kong (they're in English) for a different perspective.

Rant out.

Tom

 

[AkJeepKid]

Yes, sure. In the future, when the population of USA will become 2 billion people [from India].

Andrey

So... is Dell and IBM bringing their workers to america?:viking:

 

[XJEEPER]

and that folks is why we are in the predicament we are in, folks mollified (asleep) into a false sense of security over the last 50 years. Our attention span is seven minutes thanks to the time between sitcom commercials and murders are solved, criminals convicted and sentenced in less than an hour. As long as we can drive the SUV (or Prius) at less tha $3 per gallon, drink a latte and watch the Packers life is good.

The public is allowed that because (thank you Col Jessop) we have folks sitting up on the wall.

Andrey brings a fresh approach, a different view because he's an immigrant who was not spoon fed American Bravado by watching John Wayne or Rambo Saturday afternoon movies. In my opinion, he has some of the best posts in this thread and we could all learn a lot from what he's saying.

Recommend reading newspaper websites from across the world, Sydney, London, New Delhi, Hong Kong (they're in English) for a different perspective.

Rant out.

Tom

Wow, nice interpetation of my yawn...... curious, why do the opinions of all the above listed countries weigh in with more importance than that of the general US population? Great that they have a different perspective than I do, but I don't live there. (although I would like to visit OZ sometime....)
I choose to support the country that I live and also expect our leaders to uphold the laws and protect the freedoms that I enjoy. Nice that we still have the rights to choose.

My ancestors were immigrants and they seemed to have no problems acclimating to America......seems like the majority of the "new immigrants", legal or illegal, think that America should modify to fit them. All smells of Lib to me.....

 

[Glenn B]

Recommend reading newspaper websites from across the world, Sydney, London, New Delhi, Hong Kong (they're in English) for a different perspective.

Rant out.

Tom

Why should anybody trust a foreign (or most any) press? Do you take it as gospel? I do not. Rather, I formed my own opinions after living 1/4 of my near 40 years of life in Europe. I still support and back the USA, not some other country and their view, or their governments views. :moon:

 

[Boatwrench]

Wow, nice interpetation of my yawn...... curious, why do the opinions of all the above listed countries weigh in with more importance than that of the general US population? Great that they have a different perspective than I do, but I don't live there. (although I would like to visit OZ sometime....)

I choose to support the country that I live and also expect our leaders to uphold the laws and protect the freedoms that I enjoy. Nice that we still have the rights to choose.

My ancestors were immigrants and they seemed to have no problems acclimating to America......seems like the majority of the "new immigrants", legal or illegal, think that America should modify to fit them. All smells of Lib to me.....

No, no interpretation, just used as a stepping stone into my rant about my preception that the average american does not understand the ramifications of what we are up against in the war on terror. I thought I made these points in my posts #9 and #43.

I never stated that the above sources of information and the countries they come from are any more important than that of the US. It was my intention to recommend various sources to prevent group think which can happen as news sources chase the same story and quote from the same interviews.

Interesting comment at the end..."All smells of Lib to me...." This is not a liberal vs conservative issue, it will effect the population of the entire world.

Tom