CRASH
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5-90 said:
Jon, you're out your melon. The Glock has the smallest grip design out there. It's one of the only double stacks I can shoot comfortably. My hands are smaller than yours.
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Jon, you're out your melon. The Glock has the smallest grip design out there. It's one of the only double stacks I can shoot comfortably. My hands are smaller than yours.
5-90
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Nah - had a G19 for a while, and a G17 after that. I just couldn't grip the thing comfortably (which is really odd, since I like the H&K Mk23 SOCOM so much!)
Given a choice, tho, I'll take a single-stack anything or a wheelgun - even the Colt Defender (kind of a "Commander" knock-off in .40S&W) wasn't that bad.
I did say that my opinion on the Glock was just that - my opinion - didn't I? I don't like the Browning Hi-Power either - it's the ONLY JMB design I don't like! Double-stack again. Blame these stubby fingers I got - I can shoot those well, I just can't shoot them comfortably... They don't have that "natural extension" feeling I get from a smaller grip.
Oh - as far as being out of my melon? There are those who would agree with you - and I'm probably going to be a little odd for the next few months anyhow (I'm not taking painkillers so much anymore, but all the docs I've talked to say that it takes six to nine months for brain trauma to level out...)
I've never managed to hurt my head this badly before - no wonder I'm so strange. Hell, I even broke my nose for the first time!
5-90
Given a choice, tho, I'll take a single-stack anything or a wheelgun - even the Colt Defender (kind of a "Commander" knock-off in .40S&W) wasn't that bad.
I did say that my opinion on the Glock was just that - my opinion - didn't I? I don't like the Browning Hi-Power either - it's the ONLY JMB design I don't like! Double-stack again. Blame these stubby fingers I got - I can shoot those well, I just can't shoot them comfortably... They don't have that "natural extension" feeling I get from a smaller grip.
Oh - as far as being out of my melon? There are those who would agree with you - and I'm probably going to be a little odd for the next few months anyhow (I'm not taking painkillers so much anymore, but all the docs I've talked to say that it takes six to nine months for brain trauma to level out...)
I've never managed to hurt my head this badly before - no wonder I'm so strange. Hell, I even broke my nose for the first time!
5-90
Shomsky462
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we have a G19 and its pretty good, easy to handle and shoot, only 9mm though wish it was bigger.
BTW milpitis has a range thats rents a crap load of glocks and other handguns and some shotguns. they have regular glocks and compensated ones(reduce recoil by having holes at the top of the barrel at the end to push it down a little so it doesnt jump up just back more)
we have a G19 and its pretty good, easy to handle and shoot, only 9mm though wish it was bigger.
BTW milpitis has a range thats rents a crap load of glocks and other handguns and some shotguns. they have regular glocks and compensated ones(reduce recoil by having holes at the top of the barrel at the end to push it down a little so it doesnt jump up just back more)
JohnX
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Several people on here seem interested in the XD series. If any of you want to try one(and can get somewhere near me) I would love to show you what it has.
I doubt very seriously that anyone will be dissatisfied with it.
I doubt very seriously that anyone will be dissatisfied with it.
SeanP
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Billy:
I have pretty much settled on the SA XD40 as my first handgun. $399 on sale at Wild SPorts. Jes, let me run 100 rounds thru his H&K 45 two weeks ago. A VERY nice gun, but about twice what I want to spend. A funny story: we were with a crew at CJ66Deans and one of the guys there grabbed Jes' gun and hit a soda can at 20 yards 4 times in a row with never having touchd that particular gun before. Very impressive.
I am convinced that having a nice .22 makes an economical way to practice with a handgun. 100 rounds of .45 FMJ was $20, the same .22 is well under $5.
When I get the XD40, I let you run some rounds through it.
I have pretty much settled on the SA XD40 as my first handgun. $399 on sale at Wild SPorts. Jes, let me run 100 rounds thru his H&K 45 two weeks ago. A VERY nice gun, but about twice what I want to spend. A funny story: we were with a crew at CJ66Deans and one of the guys there grabbed Jes' gun and hit a soda can at 20 yards 4 times in a row with never having touchd that particular gun before. Very impressive.
I am convinced that having a nice .22 makes an economical way to practice with a handgun. 100 rounds of .45 FMJ was $20, the same .22 is well under $5.
When I get the XD40, I let you run some rounds through it.
JeepFreak21
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SeanP said:
That is an impressive story. I shot both Jason Regan's .40 cal H&K's (standard and compact) and I really liked them, but I don't really want to spend that much either.
When are you getting one? That price difference for ammo is crazy!
Billy
FarmerMatt
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We went through quite an ordeal while looking for a little friend for my wife. Shot lots of ammo & lots of different guns. The first question is, are you set on style (revolver, semi auto)? The balance of the auto was the deciding factor for my wife, but revolvers are simpler & more reliable. 40 cals were too much kick for her so we settled for the 9. The most comfy grip for her ended up being the Taurus 9mm. She's got pretty small hands & the glocks grips were way too big
JeepFreak,
About the only things I can think of that haven't been mentioned are find out your wife will be issued and head out to your local gun shops/pawn shops, and have you and your wife wrap your hands over any of the handguns the pique your interest (just to find out what's comfortable to hold and point). Once you've got your choices narrowed down some, then I'd start asking around about where you could rent/try out the ones you've selected, so you can find the best compromise between between what you and your wife likes. The reason I mention a compromise is there was a married couple who went through the police academy at the same time I did. When we got to the range portion, he had a Sig in .357 Sig, his wife had a 9mm Deawoo. Towards the end of the first day, it turned out he like the Dawoo better, and she was in love with the Sig.
Oh, if you're looking at picking up an auto, you can pick up .22 conversion kits for some models (although some of the kits are 1/2 the original price of the gun itself).
About the only things I can think of that haven't been mentioned are find out your wife will be issued and head out to your local gun shops/pawn shops, and have you and your wife wrap your hands over any of the handguns the pique your interest (just to find out what's comfortable to hold and point). Once you've got your choices narrowed down some, then I'd start asking around about where you could rent/try out the ones you've selected, so you can find the best compromise between between what you and your wife likes. The reason I mention a compromise is there was a married couple who went through the police academy at the same time I did. When we got to the range portion, he had a Sig in .357 Sig, his wife had a 9mm Deawoo. Towards the end of the first day, it turned out he like the Dawoo better, and she was in love with the Sig.
Oh, if you're looking at picking up an auto, you can pick up .22 conversion kits for some models (although some of the kits are 1/2 the original price of the gun itself).
ECKSJAY
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JeepFreak21 said:
I already did, turd burglar.
Use the frickin' search, you newbie! You are SO BUSTED!!!
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=58446&highlight=glock
Call me tomorrow night and we shall discuss this.
8Mud
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Just a couple of thoughts. I've been shooting pistol forever and have more than a few.
It took me awhile to catch on, that I can shoot most anything and hit the black, but some guns just feel better than others.
I've got an accurized Browning, with all the bells and whistles, really a tack driver, that I shoot well.
I Also have a single stack P7 8, that just fits my hand. It has rather large combat sights and it shoots just as good as the Browning or maybe a little better (it just feels right). Go figure.
Learn the basics, study a book or two. And put a couple of hundred rounds through various pistols.
Don't let anybody chit you, a revolver can be jammed, primers fail to ignite and other things. Some autos favor one ammo over another. It's pretty much all trial and error.
Get one that fits and points well. Learn what ammo it likes. Do some study on pistol basics, like the probable causes of certain bullet patterns, that fail to hit the black. Practice, then practice some more.
Good guns rarley go down in value. I've got a rifle that is worth about four times what it cost 20 years ago. Just the scope is worth more than I paid for the rifle and scope way back when.
It took me awhile to catch on, that I can shoot most anything and hit the black, but some guns just feel better than others.
I've got an accurized Browning, with all the bells and whistles, really a tack driver, that I shoot well.
I Also have a single stack P7 8, that just fits my hand. It has rather large combat sights and it shoots just as good as the Browning or maybe a little better (it just feels right). Go figure.
Learn the basics, study a book or two. And put a couple of hundred rounds through various pistols.
Don't let anybody chit you, a revolver can be jammed, primers fail to ignite and other things. Some autos favor one ammo over another. It's pretty much all trial and error.
Get one that fits and points well. Learn what ammo it likes. Do some study on pistol basics, like the probable causes of certain bullet patterns, that fail to hit the black. Practice, then practice some more.
Good guns rarley go down in value. I've got a rifle that is worth about four times what it cost 20 years ago. Just the scope is worth more than I paid for the rifle and scope way back when.
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8Mud
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The Heckler and Koch P7M8 works well for me. It's flat, easy to carry concealed. It has a squeeze cocker that makes the trigger pull light and smooth. The squeeze cocker takes some force to make it work, which seems to cure many peoples lazy grip and/or wrist and also makes it a little safer with younguns in the house. They usually come with a glow in the dark, three dot sight, for low light shooting.
I've talked to more than a few Glock people that are going back to Heckler and Koch. I've had mine since 1987. The finish still looks like new.
It's pretty much a brick and indestructible. It needs cleaning every two hundred rounds or so, or the slide action slows down some.
A little heavy, but an outstanding back up. I've never found any type of ammunition, bullet type or load that it won't reliably shoot. If you run out of ammo you can use it as a club.
I've talked to more than a few Glock people that are going back to Heckler and Koch. I've had mine since 1987. The finish still looks like new.
It's pretty much a brick and indestructible. It needs cleaning every two hundred rounds or so, or the slide action slows down some.
A little heavy, but an outstanding back up. I've never found any type of ammunition, bullet type or load that it won't reliably shoot. If you run out of ammo you can use it as a club.
JeepFreak21
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FarmerMatt said:
We like the revolver (for the reasons you specified), but we're affraid it will be too different from her issued weapon.
Billy
JeepFreak21
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ECKSJAY said:I already did, turd burglar.
You are SO BUSTED!!!
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=58446&highlight=glock
Call me tomorrow night and we shall discuss this.
Billy
sintax
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Guns to shoot before you buy.
1. Sig P228
2. Springfield XD in 9mm
I have an XD in the .357sig flavor. Its a killer piece and find it to be everything I could ask for in a gun. I also picked up a 9mm conversion barrel for it so I can shoot cheaper ammo at the range. I know you can do this with some Glocks as well as some Sigs.
So it may not be a bad idea to get a bigger caliber and then get a conversion barrel
1. Sig P228
2. Springfield XD in 9mm
I have an XD in the .357sig flavor. Its a killer piece and find it to be everything I could ask for in a gun. I also picked up a 9mm conversion barrel for it so I can shoot cheaper ammo at the range. I know you can do this with some Glocks as well as some Sigs.
So it may not be a bad idea to get a bigger caliber and then get a conversion barrel
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Quick review of the guns I have shot quite a bit, mine and buddies.
Sig 229 - 357 Sig/40
Walther P99 - 9mm
Glock 23 - 40
Ruger - 9
HK USP - 40/45
Kimber 1911 - 45
I like the grips on most of these guns except the glock, ruger, kimber. I have small hands and they just weren't comfortable. The Wlather is nice and thing but rubs my hand the wrong way making it sore after a few clips. The sig and the HK are the best.
Accuracy, they are all accurate in the hands of a capable shooter. THe glock, walther and kimber took me a bit to get used to shooting. The Sig and the HK were the easiest for me to pick up and shoot. And for the most accurate by far the Sig and the HK with the sig haivng a slight edge over the hk.
Reliability. The ruger is way down on the list , all kinds of problems to FTF-FTE. I was dissapointed with the Walther as after about 2-300 rounds with no cleaning the rounds start to jam on ejection. The .40 HK had a problem with the slide system which was disapointing to me as I thought it would have been a more reliable gun. Glock and the Sig have been flawless. Kimber had a factory flaw(buddies gun don't remeber the exact problem but he had to return it.) but it was resolved very quickly.
Overall, The sig and HK are my favorites but with the slide problem on the one I'm to hesitant to get one. The ergo, controls, grip, ect are excellent on the sig. I don't like the glocks much for the ergos, ect. The walthers are also good and I hate the 1911. Ruger is so-so.
If it's something for you and the wife then I would recommend looking at the Sig 229 or the Sig Pro series. The HK compacts are also nice.
Sig 229 - 357 Sig/40
Walther P99 - 9mm
Glock 23 - 40
Ruger - 9
HK USP - 40/45
Kimber 1911 - 45
I like the grips on most of these guns except the glock, ruger, kimber. I have small hands and they just weren't comfortable. The Wlather is nice and thing but rubs my hand the wrong way making it sore after a few clips. The sig and the HK are the best.
Accuracy, they are all accurate in the hands of a capable shooter. THe glock, walther and kimber took me a bit to get used to shooting. The Sig and the HK were the easiest for me to pick up and shoot. And for the most accurate by far the Sig and the HK with the sig haivng a slight edge over the hk.
Reliability. The ruger is way down on the list , all kinds of problems to FTF-FTE. I was dissapointed with the Walther as after about 2-300 rounds with no cleaning the rounds start to jam on ejection. The .40 HK had a problem with the slide system which was disapointing to me as I thought it would have been a more reliable gun. Glock and the Sig have been flawless. Kimber had a factory flaw(buddies gun don't remeber the exact problem but he had to return it.) but it was resolved very quickly.
Overall, The sig and HK are my favorites but with the slide problem on the one I'm to hesitant to get one. The ergo, controls, grip, ect are excellent on the sig. I don't like the glocks much for the ergos, ect. The walthers are also good and I hate the 1911. Ruger is so-so.
If it's something for you and the wife then I would recommend looking at the Sig 229 or the Sig Pro series. The HK compacts are also nice.
noresttill
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Check out www.thehighroad.com its my other waste of time, but I would rate it as the naxja of the general gun world.
For those that say the 9mm parabellum is not a good idea I ask why? With the proper gold dot, hydroshock, or just hollow point they still penetrate 12'' in ballistic gelatinwith great expension, and dont overpenitrate.
One of my guns is a Glock 17 9mm and the recoil is light, balance and accuracy are good (great to a self defense distance), not external safeties (on the trigger), and takes 15 minutes to field strip and clean. you can get grips that slip over the polymer grip and that feels real nice.
If you dont reload and the price of ammo is expensive, you wont shoot. Hence in a stress situation you would hit anything (reliance on training)
With that said my next gun is a colt python in .357 and a Colt 1911 (both of which I expect to break the bank)
For those that say the 9mm parabellum is not a good idea I ask why? With the proper gold dot, hydroshock, or just hollow point they still penetrate 12'' in ballistic gelatinwith great expension, and dont overpenitrate.
One of my guns is a Glock 17 9mm and the recoil is light, balance and accuracy are good (great to a self defense distance), not external safeties (on the trigger), and takes 15 minutes to field strip and clean. you can get grips that slip over the polymer grip and that feels real nice.
If you dont reload and the price of ammo is expensive, you wont shoot. Hence in a stress situation you would hit anything (reliance on training)
With that said my next gun is a colt python in .357 and a Colt 1911 (both of which I expect to break the bank)
stewie
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everyone has thier favorite. my personal sugestion is to go to a gun store that does rentals and has an on site range. try out diferent calabers, and sizes(grip). find one that just becomes a part of your hand and when leveled at the target, a part of your vision.
before you buy anything check what guns she can carry off duty. some pd's have an approved list of off duty carry guns and if your caught carring something other that whats approved you can get in some deep crap. if they have a list, there are usualy some smaller framed guns for women to carry. then take the list to a ffl and see what one feels better to both of you then try to find one you can shoot. i have been shooting since i was old enough to hold a gun and can tell you, i have never had a relvolver jam or have a ftf. it just doesnt happen with todays primers. i would recomend if you get a relvolver to get one that will fire .38 specials and +p and .357 mag's. that way you have a large choice on what round you want to carry. if you go auto, .40, .45, .357sig, or if your hands are a little small for the .45acp try the .45gap, its a smaller round with simular properties of the .45acp but in the same frame size as the .40 and .357sig. you can also find conversions from .40 to .357sig since the sig rd is just a .40 necked down to a .357 bullet. all you have to change is the barrel. shop around before you buy. best advice anyone can give you. find and shoot every gun you can till you find one that fits your hand and that recoil is managable. then practice, practice, practice. when i get a new gun i usualy walk out with no less than 500 rounds to practice with. that will usualy get used up in 2 to 3 days untill i get used to the gun then i buy at least 200 rds a month to keep up with practice. i dont know if you have gun shows in the peoples republic of Kalifornia but that is a good place to look as well as buy good priced ammo. hope this helps and if you have any questions feel free to ask.
