Greenie just knocked on my door.........

[TRNDRVR]

wanted me to sign a petition and give a donation to help close down (protect) the "Red Rock Country" down in Moab, UT. to motor vehicle access. :roflmao:
I politely told him to observe what's parked in my driveway, and that I was the last person he wanted to talk tonight. What an Idiot. :looser:

 

[Tom R.]

Hmm......where in Ogden are you? I never get those greenies at my house. I never see them at all, really. Hey, was he disguised as a missionary?

Tom

 

[TRNDRVR]

Hmm......where in Ogden are you? I never get those greenies at my house. I never see them at all, really. Hey, was he disguised as a missionary?

Tom

I live up here off of Mtn. Rd. in the North end of the East Bench. (?) First time I'd ever seen them coming door to door. Here I am, planning a trip to Moab with you folks at , and this guy knocks on my door.
Also this guy wasn't wearing black pants or a white shirt. He did have a name tag though.

 

[Tom R.]

You're not too far away from me. I'm up by Ben Lomond HS on the bench.

Tom

 

[TRNDRVR]

You're not too far away from me. I'm up by Ben Lomond HS on the bench.

Tom

I live in the neighborhood west of the Ivory Homes model home up on Mtn. Rd. Know where it's at?

 

[CRASH]

Lot's of these folks are paid signature gatherers and hardxly know anything about the issues they are peddling.

They are usually good for a laugh or two when you engage them in serious debate.

CRASH

 

[Tom R.]

I live in the neighborhood west of the Ivory Homes model home up on Mtn. Rd. Know where it's at?

I think so. I looked at so many houses over that way the past couple of years that it's all just a blur now.

Tom

 

[Kejtar]

lol... well.... for most part they aren't too bright They are still looking for a frog or a toad that never existed in a desert that they had temporarily closed to us because it was endangering above mentioned nonexistant critter.....

Kejtar

 

[XJEEPER]

Ya Dan, the SUWA (Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance) folk are out and about, spreading their "save the Red Rock" propaganda to those unknowing.

Too bad you didn't invite them in and ask them to explain to you in minute detail exactly what they are trying to accomplish.........my guess is that they personally just want to raise a few bucks, have little or no direction in their life so jumping on the Green wagon so they have a cause seemed like the thing to do.......................more eco-extremist brain cleasing

 

[TRNDRVR]

the SUWA (Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance) folk are out and about

That's exactly who it was.
The guy had to be exremely stupid to knock on my door after walking past my XJ out in the driveway to get to my porch.

 

[Tucker]

My standard greeting for solicitors (this works real well for those irritating bible thumpers):

"What color underwear are you wearing?"

Takes cojones to say it but try it, its hilarious.

 

[Ed A. Stevens]

Ya Dan, the SUWA (Southern Utah Wilderness Alliance) folk are out and about, spreading their "save the Red Rock" propaganda to those unknowing.

Too bad you didn't invite them in and ask them to explain to you in minute detail exactly what they are trying to accomplish.........my guess is that they personally just want to raise a few bucks, have little or no direction in their life so jumping on the Green wagon so they have a cause seemed like the thing to do.......................more eco-extremist brain cleasing

If you get another chance to talk to the SUWA campaigners, stop and entertain a little research.

Ask where they are from, and if they are on a summer hire program?

The Sierra Club is promoting open positions for a campaign similar to the Roadless Rule post card promotion and signature drive of 2001 (where they paid door to door solicitors to gather signatures in favor of the Rule).

Ask if they have a favorite place in the area in question, and how they traveled there? Ask how they usually camp, and how they plan to camp when they have children?

Most drive ... to their favorite place .

If they fail to offer a reply ask if they have ever visited the areas in question?

In the Roadless promotion the campaigners in SoCal (in my neighborhood) were from New York City, and had never been in a National Forest ... anywhere in the USA.

I had a great time probing the two Roadless campaigners with questions about their involvement and (lack of) understanding of the Rule. They were never informed of the fire danger of abandonment management (they actually thought the USFS eliminated fire danger ... somehow, maybe an east coast city thing), and were completely unaware of the Wildlands project. I even offered to take them to visit a National Forest, for the first time (wheeling), including a tour of the USFS facilities. The reply was they were being flown back to NYC before a chance to visit was scheduled (the SC keeping them ignorant, or being just plain cheap).

The SUWA is planning a public relations campaign, to close the State, so expect this to be pushed like a popular election with the numbers gathered published as support. Be prepared with letters to the editors when they strike.

 

[Ralph]

I think we should all join the sierra club....and corrupt it from within.

RR3

 

[Kejtar]

the XJ'ers fifth column

 

[JJ13]

Do they have 1-800 phone numbers??? That is the easiest way to put a large dent in there pocketbook. We did that with a gun control foundation, they sent letters to us basically begging us to quit calling there numbers. We would sit at work hitting redial any spare time we had. Crude but it worked. BTW they started it (they were obnoxious with more than one of us).

 

[REDXJ4FUN]

hahahaha I like that idea but they would find away of making us the bad guys for doing it. I confuse some missionary types(not sure what church) and they tried telling me how the world is coming to an end and the signs are all around us and how bad the wold is getting. My replie is that its always been messed up its just see more on TV now.

 

[TRNDRVR]

Do they have 1-800 phone numbers??? That is the easiest way to put a large dent in there pocketbook. We did that with a gun control foundation, they sent letters to us basically begging us to quit calling there numbers. We would sit at work hitting redial any spare time we had. Crude but it worked. BTW they started it (they were obnoxious with more than one of us).

That is downright a mean idea.
I like it! :firedevil

 

[woody]

Fun to think about all sorts of curious mayhem one might inflict on fools that unwittingly invade ones personal space and/or intrude on one's way of life. Like flies in a web.

I think the most effective way to promote ones views and is through alliance with and financial support of larger groups with political access and courtroom savvy. (IE: UFWDA, Blue Ribbon Coalition, regional assn's, NRA etc...) At the grassroots level, many of the good things accomplished are by individuals like us.

Some other important aspects are to actively practice good citizenship and stewardship. This includes Treading Lightly to the greatest extent possible, and being courteous/respectful to other users of public lands. Writing reasonably intelligent letters (to pols, govt. entities, media, etc...) that convey our side of the land-use issue in a rational manner may help to get the message out there too the public. Canned letters, emails, calls etc... likely only cause aggravation to the recipient.

The larger groups that oppose shared land use are amazingly well funded, and have lots of resources and celebrities to promote their side. Their goals seem very selfish to me, and offer little room for compromise. Unfortunately, all politics and the constant litigation in this country involves money for access and due process...

Unless we care to see all non-pedestrian off-pavement lifestyles (including 4x4s, quads, bikes, horses, bicycles, watercraft, personal aircraft etc...) marginalized to private property only, folks need to step up and be heard. Joining ranks and working out our interfaith differences while presenting a unified front for the 'multiple land use' cause. Blue Ribbon Coalition is attempting to do this with a lot of success. Although is a club member of this group, members can individually join BRC for $10.00 for the first year ($20 per year following) www.sharetrails.org

is an Association Member of United Four Wheel Drive Associations. www.ufwda.org

I encourage all of you to join both of the above-mentioned organizations to help retain our access to public land, and to act responsibly while using it.

Thanks!

 

[Jeep Biscuit]

I think we should all join the sierra club....and corrupt it from within.

RR3

I'm already a member and I support their efforts with my time and donations. It's a good organization. You should join and do the same.

 

[XJEEPER]

I'm already a member and I support their efforts with my time and donations. It's a good organization. You should join and do the same.

Care to tell us what the original mission was of the Sierra Club? I'd also like to know why you are a member, if you don't mine sharing.
Thanks.