E22 recall

[xjtrailrider]

What does the flash affect? Does it make the light come sooner as I understand it, or something else?

They are re-programming the CPU, either to change the fuel mixture, timeing or delivery. Like I said my 96 runs too good and I do not want them to mess with it.

 

[iBarsky]

I'm supposed to drop mine off this week for the reflash and cat check and I assume they are going to take one look at the slight(by my standards) trail scars and refuse to replace the cat. Anyone have any dents or rockrash on their's when they took it in for the recall?

 

[Thunder11265]

I'm supposed to drop mine off this week for the reflash and cat check and I assume they are going to take one look at the slight(by my standards) trail scars and refuse to replace the cat. Anyone have any dents or rockrash on their's when they took it in for the recall?

just remember that they have to replace the cat unless they can prove what you did caused the failure of the cat. And that is damn near impossible. not saying they wont try to, but chrysler is a pushover when it comes to warranty claimes:shhh: . but um yeah, ...... so um how bout them pats eh?

 

[RichP]

I got 4 of the things in the mail, the XJ and the TJ's, I'm afraid to take it in, all run well I know there is a good chance of being bent over. My exhaust systems are getting up there in years and I know I will be doing all of them but just not right now...

 

[gba88]

I got 4 of the things in the mail, the XJ and the TJ's, I'm afraid to take it in, all run well I know there is a good chance of being bent over. My exhaust systems are getting up there in years and I know I will be doing all of them but just not right now...

I'm of the same mindset here....they already sent me the recall 2 times for my 96. I figured from the beginning that it wasn't too big of a deal and everything was running fine so why bother. I know I'll be replacing it anyway, but what I was afraid of was them saying they "had" to replace other parts of the exhaust system and then getting charged for it.

I think that's how the recall reads and I called and asked the dealer. So if your other pipes and clamps are rusted beyond repair (as mine are), they could bill you for a bunch of new junk that was *required* while replacing the cat.

 

[cmsurfer]

I got the recall done last year when I had my '96. I got the cat replaced for free. If was rattling like crazy since I bought it.

But... they wacked me for an O2 sensor. They claim it was stripped when they did the work, but i bet they were the ones who messed it up.

 

[xjtrailrider]

I got the recall done last year when I had my '96. I got the cat replaced for free. If was rattling like crazy since I bought it.

But... they wacked me for an O2 sensor. They claim it was stripped when they did the work, but i bet they were the ones who messed it up.

Yes they did screw it up, had it been cross threaded it would have MOST likely leaked, Did you ask for the old part? Whenever I have to have work done by another shop/mechanic, I have them make a note on the shop order to save all parts for owners inspection. Most people i deal with know I'm a mechanic and do not try to screw me, this is a small town and word gets out fast!

 

[el_roy1985]

So how do I know if this recall was performed on my XJ? I have a 96. Also, does this affect the way it runs, or just help it detect a bad cat?

 

[MOSSGREENMACHINE]

I had the recall done on mine two months ago, and no problems at all. The replacement cat appears to be a much smaller high performance cat and I think i get better highway mileage. the best part about it is, they put the old cat in the box and left it in the rear hatch. I sold the used cat on Ebay for $100.00:yelclap:

 

[Hellbent]

the flash doesn't involve changing your timing or fuel mixture. it is only to improve the pcm's ability to detect a deteriorating converter. i had mine done and experienced no change in gas mileage, power, or anything else for that matter. even though my cat passed inspection at the time the reprogram was done, the check engine light came on a few days later with a bad cat code. so i took it back in and got a new cat out of the deal. no problems since.

 

[Darky]

Got a new cat and the ratling is gone since mine was beat to snot. It did have some trail scars on it and no questions.

 

[Ecomike]

We have the toughest emisions tests for Texas in my county. I don't know how it compares to other states, but here they do not do tail pipe tests on OBD-II vehicles, 1996 and newer, only on the 95 and older ones. The States computer comunicates with the OBD-II computer and decides based on the stored data in the OBD-II computer whether or not the O2 sensor(s) and or Cat Converter is still working within spec or not.

I suspect EPA discovered a problem with the 96 Jeep cat converters or the OBD-II internal diagnostics that the 96 Chrysler OBD-II computers were not properly reporting. Thus the need to reprogram the 96 OBD-II chrysler computers. In order to get owners to accept the reprograming (which would likely reveal the failed Cat converter shortly after reprograming, that the prior programing was ignoring) EPA probably forced Chrysler to agree to replace any failed cats within a year of the program fix.

 

[Hellbent]

I suspect EPA discovered a problem with the 96 Jeep cat converters or the OBD-II internal diagnostics that the 96 Chrysler OBD-II computers were not properly reporting. Thus the need to reprogram the 96 OBD-II chrysler computers. In order to get owners to accept the reprograming (which would likely reveal the failed Cat converter shortly after reprograming, that the prior programing was ignoring) EPA probably forced Chrysler to agree to replace any failed cats within a year of the program fix.

that's an interesting take on the issue, and probably not too far from the truth.

 

[Darky]

The TPS that they said would be $384 to fix cost me $36.70 after tax for the sensor at NAPA and 5 minutes of time on it...bastids

 

[Ecomike]

The TPS that they said would be $384 to fix cost me $36.70 after tax for the sensor at NAPA and 5 minutes of time on it...bastids

I think it is spelled ards,not ids, LOL!

I wonder if the program flash also fixed a software problem with the PCM not being able to recognise a bad TPS? Once again, 96 being the first year of OBD-II they probably had some software code bugs, and later improvements they added to the older code.

Now if I wanted to make real money, and I was Ford or Chrysler, GM etc... I would write code in the OBD-II programs for the PCMs that made everything slowly self destruct ONCE the car was paid off and out of warranty. Of course with blue tooth, they could just flash the ROM wirelessly now with the newest cars as soon as the warranty years, or warranty mileage had expired, and the car note was paid off. And with proprietary code, who could ever prove it.

 

[Ray H]

Its time for new exhaust and cat on my 96. I havent had this recall done yet and I would sooner not have it done because the Jeep is working fine as it is. Its just that the salty winters have taken their toll on my exhaust. Im going with an aftermarket exhaust. I would prefer to not have the Jeep reprogrammed and not have the dealer install a new cat onto my old rusted exhaust. Does anyone know or has anyone just taken their Jeep in for the diagnostic and walked out with a cat in hand?

 

[WHITE420XJ]

Did anyone notice that your jeep was slower or anything wierd at all. Also did anyone with a 97 XJ have problems with their PCM and CAT?
Peace

 

[ZJDAVE21]

Re: E22 recall = PCM Failure ???

Has anyone had a PCM failure after the E22 PCM update was done.
My ZJ (please don't hate me) is a 96 with 181K. No one has ever messed with the PCM. After 11 years in service, the dealer flashes the E22 onto my PCM per the recall. One month later the PCM goes bad. You know the drill, $170 to give you the bad news. $450 for the OEM PCM and $140 to flash your VIN and install. I have not dropped the coin to fix this yet and I know of better after market options.... my concern is...
Does this raise a red flag to anyone else that can correlate a recent PCM failure with a seemingly unrelated recall update to the PCM.
If so, light up Chryslers switchboard at 1-800-992-1997. They are working my case now. Just like the E22 recall, someone had to speak up before they realized they were the source of the problem and were then willing to comp the new CAT.
If not, well ***t does happen, my bad luck, but just wanted to let this forum know. If a wiser gearhead knows of a better place to post this please do so. Thanks
Thanks, ZJDAVE21 atriot:

 

[Ecomike]

I forgot to mention earlier that in spite of wiring my O2 sensor harness connector to the exhaust manifold (dead short, nasty mess:gag which fried the fuse link and burned up some wire after a few minutes of smoking first, and in spite of wiring the O2 sensor and TPS sensor back wards to my Renix Computer, the 87 OEM Renix computer in my 87 XJ still has a strong heartbeat. :clap:It will probalby out live every other part in the jeep. Just one more reason I avoid OBD-II and new vehicles that use it like the plague!

Have you tried rebooting the microsoft operating system in that 96 computer? Ops, sorry wrong operating system, I think. :doh:

But seriously, I would not trust the stealership or Chrysler these days to own up to any of their own mistakes, especially if the scanner fried a bunch of those computers recently at that stealership. Sounds real fishy to me.

So whats this $$$ for flashing the VIN number crud? GAD what a racket that sounds like! PCMs don't just die for no reason! But if something is shorted in the harness, a new PCM may not last long either. The newer PCMs are just not as hardy as the old Renix computer. For one thing, IIRC the voltage regulator is in the PCM now (since 96, and maybe since 91?), and was in the alternator back in the Renix years, so when the $10 voltage regulator takes a dump in the PCM its odios amigos for the computer too.

Oh and regarding the "Does this raise a RED FLAG question, yes it does, I will keep driving and fixing junk yard dogs for a few more years. I just wish I could convince my kids that older is better, but allas it seems that dog just won't bark. My 20 Yr old son bought one of the first I-Phones to replace his <than 2 yr old Razor. :doh:

But if you want to track down some help, even possible legal help, or just sister complaints about Chrysler product problems, check this site out, but we warned, by the time you leave the site, you will be AFRAID, very AFRAID.

http://www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/

 

[RichP]

NONE of my jeeps have seen a dealer once they were out of warranty, well, except for that brake rotor recall. I even have someone I can borrow the Chrysler scan tool from now when I need it on weekends.