drilling new hole in leaf spring?

1990heepxj

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is it ok to drill a new hole for a center pin in only the main leaf. i want to get a slightly longer main leaf and redrill the hole to where i need it and use it with my bastard pack to get a better shackle angle then my xj main leaf gives. it would only be through the main leaf and the rest would still only have a single hole
 
It's not the new hole that would be the problem but the old hole. The old hole would be a week point. A point that MAY flex a lot more then the rest of the spring. If the old hole is still well under the pirch you may get away with it but don't look for max spring life this way.
PS: Get good sharp drill bits and use a SLOW turing drill. Use coolant to.
 
thanks for the link but it doesnt really cover exactly what im after here. im talking about a new hole in one leaf out of 4 not the whole pack. i know the old hole poses the obvious problem of it will be the weakest point in the pack. the plan would be drill the new hole 2-2.5 inches forward of the old hole in order to make my axle sit at the same location in the wheel well as it is now but give me more length on the rear half for a better shackle angle
 
You would be much better off to do shackle relocation brackets!
 
Get a good bit and drill slow with lots of cutting oil. I drilled out 2 springs for new clamps (so 2 holes per leaf total of 4 holes) and it went much easier then I expected. I used a cobalt bit.
 
An MJ leaf pack is longer but the hole is further back. I went with an f150 main leaf. It is longer too but is also further back.
 
Just a stupid question. Have you measured the length from each end to the hole? On some vehicles, they turn the leaf around to get a better position.
 
thanks for the stupid answer... but you obviously didnt actually read what i want to do. i dont want my axle back any more, i want a longer main leaf to get a better shackle angle. only reason i dont just get shackle reloc brackets is cuz i dont really want to throw 140 bucks at it right now. an s10 leaf redrilled 2 inches forward will do exactly what i want
 
thanks for the stupid answer... but you obviously didnt actually read what i want to do. i dont want my axle back any more, i want a longer main leaf to get a better shackle angle. only reason i dont just get shackle reloc brackets is cuz i dont really want to throw 140 bucks at it right now. an s10 leaf redrilled 2 inches forward will do exactly what i want

Relax yourself :)
 
In bending stress, a 1/2" hole in a 2.5" wide leaf will increase stress anywhere between 1.5 to 1.7 times the stress in rest of the leaf (assuming a single leaf that is 1/8" thick). You will almost double the stress in the leaf. Drilling new holes is not a great idea but you may be able to get away with it on a single leaf.
 
well its probly about a 3/8 hole that wont be used and the leaf i was thinkin on using(newer s10 main) is atleast 1/4 thick, that main leaf is about 2.5 inches longer then an xj main leaf
 
My point was that you are overstressing the leaf by at least 50%. The leaf will break much earlier than if the hole was not drilled. I'm not trying to be preachy - you should just know the negatives to what you are doing.
 
thanks for the stupid answer... but you obviously didnt actually read what i want to do. i dont want my axle back any more, i want a longer main leaf to get a better shackle angle. only reason i dont just get shackle reloc brackets is cuz i dont really want to throw 140 bucks at it right now. an s10 leaf redrilled 2 inches forward will do exactly what i want

dont be a douche. i think he was saying that maybe on the new leafs it would be possible to turn them so you get the length but it might move your wheel forward (unlikely as most have longer section toward rear) but he could know if it would work since you didnt state which leaves you were using before this post
 
ya im not being a douche when some dick comes in and tells me my question is stupid first, he should expect a smart ass answer in response to his smart ass answer. i think all leafs are longer toward what ever side the shackle is on. i understand what he was saying but as the fourth post down, my second post on this thread says i want the axle to stay where it is but gain a better shackle angle by having more length to the rear of the axle. im not trying to start anything here but id wrather not have someone give me a rude comment for no reason. anyway im just gonna decide myself from here so thanks for the help all
 
he wasnt being rude or saying that your question was stupid. he was saying he was asking you a stupid question (saying his was stupid as measuring should be the first thing you do, but some people often forget) if you look at his posts in other threads he actually helps lots of people every day, and is a well respected member of the forum. cool your jets and read a little better. nominated
 
i think with my 8.8 the spring pad and spring plate would sandwich the old hole and assumingly reduce the stress on it

It's nothing to do with "sandwiching with the spring pad & spring plate" (that would mitigate the stress by relocating the bending force, but only slightly.)

It's entirely to do with the fact that any discontinuity in the material - particularly in wrought material (like spring leaves...) creates a weak point and a stress concentrator. It's only a matter of degree relative to size (a 1/2" hole would be a larger stress riser - obviously - than a 3/8" hole, but only nominally. It would stay that way until you get to about .3-.5w on the member.)

Drilling, gouging, cutting, or even nicking with a file is like putting a dashed line on the part that sez "Break here."

This is why even "lightening holes" on a structural member are a stonkingly bad idea.

Have you ever noticed how, on cast members with holes for access, the section around the hole is thickened? That's to reduce the loss of strength.

If you're got your heart set on modifying a leaf (instead of having a new leaf made - which would be best,) the_weirdo makes some good points. Let me give you the list of what I'd do, if I had no other option:

1) Use a brand new, sharp drill bit. I'd probably throw it away after drilling the hole, or resharpen it to use for the next one. You want fresh cutting edges (using a spade bit with an indexable or replaceable carbide insert won't go amiss here. It's painfully easy to wreck the temper on a spring in a small area - which is every bit as bad as drilling the hole to begin with. The two factors amplify each other...)

2) Keep the area flooded with coolant. Any light oil will serve neatly - tapping oil, honing oil, air-tool oil - but keep it flooded. Have a helper keep the coolant going for you, so you can use both hands to control the drill. "Flooded" means that there is a constant supply of fresh coolant/lubricant going over the cut (Hell, even water will help - just make sure you get it all off!) Drilling over a catchbasin will help to keep the mess down.

3) Recall the formula for tool speed - 4s/d. "s" is the cutting speed of the material in SFPM, "d" is the diameter of the rotating element (tool bit for a mill or drill, material for a lathe.) Cutting speed for spring steel can be taken as being between that for mild steel (~100scfm) and alloy steel (~80scfm) - the alloy is close to mild steel, but the temper throws you a slight curve. 3/8" = .375". Therefore:

(4x90)/.375 = 360/.375 = 960rpm. Use a drill press if possible, run it somewhere between 850-1000rpm - or as close as you can get. Double the speed if you're using a carbide insert spade bit - 1700-2000rpm for that. Keep flooded with coolant to protect the spring temper (if you wreck the spring temper, you've increased the zone that's going to give you trouble, and you've increased exponentially the likelihood that it's going to break on you.)

4) After you've drilled the new holes, find yourself a hardened ball bearing 1/2"-3/4" in diameter (the bearings that come out of FWD Rzeppa joints are good for this - I kept a few when I had to rebuild some years ago...) Lay the spring on a hard surface (garage floor, cement driveway,) put the ball in the hole, then give the ball one and only one solid whack with a small sledgehammer (3-5# head.) Repeat for both sides, both holes, both spring leaves. This will "cold-forge" the surface of the metal at the hole, giving the hole itself a fighting chance.

Better options:

1) Have a spring shop make a new main leaf for you. This is best.

2) Find a machine shop with a punch press that can go through the spring stock (~1/4") in a single shot. Punching the hole is better than drilling it, and they'll also have a shop press (and probably ball punches) that can peen the surfaces of the holes for you. If you mark exactly where you want the holes to go, there's no reason that the whole operation on both springs can't be done inside of an hour. A spring shop should definitely have the equipment to punch and peen new holes.

DO NOT TRY TO HAVE THE OLD HOLE WELDED UP! Not only does it make the discontinuity worse (AFAIK, there's no such thing as "spring rod" for welding...) but you end up with the heat affected zone (HAZ) from the weld process - which is what you're trying to avoid in the first place! Welding up the hole is just gagging for the spring leaf to snap on you!
 
he wasnt being rude or saying that your question was stupid. he was saying he was asking you a stupid question (saying his was stupid as measuring should be the first thing you do, but some people often forget) if you look at his posts in other threads he actually helps lots of people every day, and is a well respected member of the forum. cool your jets and read a little better. nominated

ok ya ill say im a dumb ass and feel especially stupid now. i just reread his and youre right i read it as him calling mine stupid but i now see he was meaning his own. my bad, im really sorry
 
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