does this sound constitutional?

[Beej]

those were the beliefs of our forfathers

this nation was founded on christian beliefs, not jewish, not muslim, not athiest. christian. the christians who founded this nation also believed in freedom of religion, show me any other religious group throughout the world who has established that sort of freedom... not saying "hail christianity", only that the founders of the constitution had the best of intentions.

also take into account the time period it was written in. this was the time of the quakers and the shakers. people who actually did not believe in sex. at all... not even for procreation. religion was the most prevelent part of their lives, so why not include it in their legislation. however no where in the constitution does it impose christianity on anyone. it mearly says "Almighty God" which like stated before refers to any/all Gods you choose to worship.

also take into account that the Americans did not wish to alienate themselves from the rest of the world. all other major nations were still ruled by christian leaders, and influenced by the pope. Had america decided to rule out any religious talk in the constitution, it would have seemed as though they were an athiest nation, and that would NOT have created any allies, which was necessary in their weakened state.

I'm not an American citizen, nor did I attend and American school, but somehow even I know that your forefathers were NOT Christians and hence came the separation of church and state... Read up on what Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson had to say about religion...

 

[Beej]

Also, for chrissake, I can't believe I have to even type this: HUMANS ARE NOT APES OR MONKEYS. Those terms were invented by biologists/naturalists to better categorize what they saw and give meaning to the wide variety of animal instantiation. In other words, there is nothing to say that Apes and Monkeys and Humans derive from the same 'class', 'kingdom', 'category' or otherwise, other than they were pigeon-holed into categories by humans for ease of conceptualization.

Got Grade 10 Biology anyone?

 

[rocklandxjer]

eh free masons and all that. obviously most were christian (espescially in the southern states) because..
in places like north carolina and south of that, separation of church and state didnt occur till the 1900s in some places. That may have been unconstitutional, but untill then, they were teh overwelming majority, and everyone saw it fit to do so

 

[rocklandxjer]

heh, definately a good point, humans are a SPECIES just as apes are. a species of mammals. so... you claim humans and monkeys are the same, why not humans and whales...

 

[Beej]

ALSO: Bestiality (note the spelling) is NOT illegal. Its not covered federally in the US or Canada. Its done state by state and in some states its not addressed by law other than animal abuse laws. As recent as July 2005 it was outlawed in WA as a result of an inquiry into the unusual death of a famous "horse videotape" manufacturer... (Google Kenneth Pinyan)

 

[Beej]

eh free masons and all that. obviously most were christian (espescially in the southern states) because..
in places like north carolina and south of that, separation of church and state didnt occur till the 1900s in some places. That may have been unconstitutional, but untill then, they were teh overwelming majority, and everyone saw it fit to do so

Dude, go take some history lessons...

 

[Ramsey]

It's Interspecies Erotica!

 

[rocklandxjer]

?? on what.
the fact that this nation was founded by a majority of christians?
and besides, one of the requirements for freemasonry. even today, is to believe in a "supreme being" in other words, a God

 

[rocklandxjer]

It's Interspecies Erotica!

yee haw!!

 

[Ramsey]

How does believing in a god make you a christian?

 

[Beej]

?? on what.
the fact that this nation was founded by a majority of christians?
and besides, one of the requirements for freemasonry. even today, is to believe in a "supreme being" in other words, a God

You are colluding "belief in a supreme being" with "religion". They are mutually exclusive. You are also colluding "forefathers" with people who came to North America long before the "forefathers"...

 

[rocklandxjer]

The constitution does not impose religion. no where does it say "christianity is great" or "we believe in God, but only in the christian way"

believing in a supreme being, and beliving in God, whether that be the christian God, Allah, Buddah, anything, you are still believing in a supreme being.
what forefathers are you refering to if not the creators of the declaration of independence and the Constitution


heh, i think we need a third party mediator

 

[goodburbon]

Don't look at me, I'm not an ape.

 

[rocklandxjer]

heh heh

 

[Beej]

The constitution does not impose religion. no where does it say "christianity is great" or "we believe in God, but only in the christian way"

believing in a supreme being, and beliving in God, whether that be the christian God, Allah, Buddah, anything, you are still believing in a supreme being.
what forefathers are you refering to if not the creators of the declaration of independence and the Constitution


heh, i think we need a third party mediator

Those are to whom I refer. Try googling it, perhaps that will help you understand...

 

[Wolfe]

Correct me if im wrong but didnt the Pilgrims land on Plymoth Rock escaping religious persecution from the English? (Catholics)
Then A long time later after The War of Independence, the Constitution was written up. In the language of the day and as good god fearing people they wrote of almighty G-d and being mindful of a multitude of religions made it non-religion specific. I guess they didnt count in what ever mr d believes in.

 

[rocklandxjer]

exactly, they were speaking in the "tongue of the times" if you are one of those people "dzolcali" that wants to whipe all references of God off of the constitution and supreme court and everything, be my guest, but keep in mind they never say, "Join us or die" or claim that anyone who doesnt is wrong (much unlike yourself)

and wolfe... ten years to create a document that would dictate the way in which a democratic, free nation would be run, isnt really all that much of a "long time"

 

[Rocketman]

This thread must die...

Why argue something written so long ago besides the fact the original post has nothing to do with just about anything at all. If you don't like the Preamble of the Constitution of North Carolina, petition your representatives to change it. If the MAJORITY of the voters choose not to, then tough shit, accept it, or move.

Oh... and FAWK political correctness. Being politically correct is turning this country into a bunch of puzzy's! When will people actually stand up for what they truly believe and NOT be afraid to say it?

 

[Wolfe]

Those are to whom I refer. Try googling it, perhaps that will help you understand...

Good suggestion! I did and found the history on it and the Amendments.
The first
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

 

[rocklandxjer]

This thread must die...

Why argue something written so long ago besides the fact the original post has nothing to do with just about anything at all. If you don't like the Preamble of the Constitution of North Carolina, petition your representatives to change it. If the MAJORITY of the voters choose not to, then tough shit, accept it, or move.

Oh... and FAWK political correctness. Being politically correct is turning this country into a bunch of puzzy's! When will people actually stand up for what they truly believe and NOT be afraid to say it?

i thought i felt something weird...
you just stole the words right out of my mouth


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