diesel liberty

Yes they are. Engine: 2.8L 1-4 Turbo Diesel. It's a really cool motor, just read in Four Wheeler on the Four Wheeler of the Year article. They loved the motor.

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I'm a diesel fan and have had two modern computer controlled VW's and they are fantastic. The Liberty engines are actually made by a Itilian firm that MB/DB/CDB (take your pick) bought or has control of. As I remember it was called VM. I herd on Racing Country last Sunday morning about a driver who's going to drive a VW Toreg (sp?) 5 cylinder, 2.5L diesel with a carbon fiber body in some European race through Africa (8000 miles) for VW. He said the torque was 600 foot pounds and that all the electronic controls for traction control and the like are fantastic. As I remember, the cost per vehicle to put it in the race (total cost maybe) was around $1 million per. Definetly out of my budget.
The stump pulling 4.0L in my 96 XJ is as close to a diesel I'll see.

JoBo
 
Fraggin wonderful, more 'stuff' to take off for maintenance just to see the motor, wonder how much stuff is underneath...
 
JoBo said:
I herd on Racing Country last Sunday morning about a driver who's going to drive a VW Toreg (sp?) 5 cylinder, 2.5L diesel with a carbon fiber body in some European race through Africa (8000 miles) for VW.
JoBo
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not just some race, The race. The Dakar Rally.
 
JoBo said:
I'm a diesel fan and have had two modern computer controlled VW's and they are fantastic. The Liberty engines are actually made by a Itilian firm that MB/DB/CDB (take your pick) bought or has control of. As I remember it was called VM. I herd on Racing Country last Sunday morning about a driver who's going to drive a VW Toreg (sp?) 5 cylinder, 2.5L diesel with a carbon fiber body in some European race through Africa (8000 miles) for VW. He said the torque was 600 foot pounds and that all the electronic controls for traction control and the like are fantastic. As I remember, the cost per vehicle to put it in the race (total cost maybe) was around $1 million per. Definetly out of my budget.
The stump pulling 4.0L in my 96 XJ is as close to a diesel I'll see.

JoBo
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VM has been making diesel's for Chrysler's vehicles in Europe for a long time (XJ's, minivans, etc...) Daimler/Chrysler owns Detroit Diesel which in part owns a percentage of VM.

The Toureg has a 4.9L V-10 diesel making 310hp and 553ft lbs of torque.
 
not just some race, The race. The Dakar Rally.
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Yeah, puts the Baja 1000 to shame. BTW one of the touregd crashed hard in the race, they said that thing flies. Also 2 MC racers have died of injuries, Fabrizio Meoni (KTM) and Jose Manuel Perez (Privateer/ Spain). It is a tough race, but I don't think they have had a death in a few years.

For the liberty, a mechanic told me that the materials quality isn't that great. Just a comment from a Chrysler/Jeep mechanic, don't know his experience with it. I would love a solid 5 speed manual deisel, just not in a Libby.

Copperhead
 
Lawn Cher' wrote:
The Gladiator sounds really good, I hope they make it. Finally a worthy successor to the MJ! Solid axles, turbodiesel, 6-speed manual & Commandtrac 4wd.
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That thing has some potential! I know you cant get away from all that plastic molding on many new vehicles, but clean it up a bit and it's not bad. My wife and I put about 60k on our vehicles a year (that's 3 vehicles). We have a bout a 55 mile round trip commute, and a diesel sounds like it would be great. Plus, I would love to replave one of the XJ's with a truck.

Copperhead
 
copperhead said:
Lawn Cher' wrote:

That thing has some potential! I know you cant get away from all that plastic molding on many new vehicles, but clean it up a bit and it's not bad. My wife and I put about 60k on our vehicles a year (that's 3 vehicles). We have a bout a 55 mile round trip commute, and a diesel sounds like it would be great. Plus, I would love to replave one of the XJ's with a truck.

Copperhead
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My wife and I have been able to car-pool for our ~70 mile roundtrip, so it at least keeps my maintenance routine somewhat reasonable. Unfortunately, with the mix of stop and go traffic and high speed interstate driving, we average 16 mpg with either her XJ or my Suburban (it'd be worse if my truck weren't diesel!) I plan on changing jobs within a few months, which will eliminate the car pool opportunity, so a small diesel would be nice. I'm thinking when her XJ is used up we'll be ready for something like the Gladiator, and then I'll be able to reduce my collection of MJ's (it is handy having a pickup around, I just need more parking!)
 
i like the idea of a diesel in a jeep but i think there choice of using an italian based motor isn't to appealing. my opinion, if it doesn't say ferrari on it, it should stay it italy. about those plastic pieces covering the engine. from a technicians standpoint, they take about a minute to remove and really keep some of the electrical parts clean regardless of how much mud or gunk is in the engine compartment
 
Lawn Cher': My wife and I have been able to car-pool for our ~70 mile roundtrip, so it at least keeps my maintenance routine somewhat reasonable.
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We are in the same boat. My wife and I commute together all but 1 day each week. It does ease up on the wear ant tear. The one day we don't commute together I try to ride my motorcycle (winter is an exception) I have been interviewing for new jobs, and one will give me a 120 mile round trip.

Our largest problem in getting something new, like the potential Gladiator, is our annual mileage. We have to buy them outright, and the latest prices on new vehicles are beyond what we want to spend.

-Copperhead
 
All of the diesel liberties are rolling out of the factory with B95 biodiesel which is pretty damn impressive to me. I'm glad that DC is doing something positive from an alternative fuel perspective. They are the first manufacturer in the US not only endorce this fuel, but actually use it. Diesels are gonna be more and more common in the coming years as the biodiesel technology continues to grow and be available. The pollution reductions and engine life enhancements that are accomplishable with even a 5% blend of biodiesel are pretty amazing.

Long live the soybean.
 
i would buy the gladiator with the diesel.
they are making cars capable of higher mileages, but they also follow a plan of built in obsolescence so that they can sell more cars. do people wheel libbies? i've seen some pretty tough looking ones rollin' in the hood, but they are very clean?!
the toureg is king of the suv heap right now (excluding the REAL G-wagens) with the v10 and its traction control...but can you lift it and put on some super swampers? that would be interesting to see...IMHO.
 
i dont understand this, here me out. when manufacturers needed to boost fuel economy they removed all of the all wheel drive stuff from the seventies (like the np203 t-case), add overdrive, made t-cases out of aluminum, but the biggest one was the have front end hubs. i am sure any truck out there could squeeze another 1 or 2 mpg if they had some hubs. can these engineers put this concept together: hubs=more mpg
 
KY Chris said:
All of the diesel liberties are rolling out of the factory with B95 biodiesel which is pretty damn impressive to me. I'm glad that DC is doing something positive from an alternative fuel perspective. They are the first manufacturer in the US not only endorce this fuel, but actually use it. Diesels are gonna be more and more common in the coming years as the biodiesel technology continues to grow and be available. The pollution reductions and engine life enhancements that are accomplishable with even a 5% blend of biodiesel are pretty amazing.

Long live the soybean.
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They are filling them with B5, which is 5% biodiesel. B95 would be 95% bio and 5% petro.
 
JoBo said:
I herd on Racing Country last Sunday morning about a driver who's going to drive a VW Toreg (sp?) 5 cylinder, 2.5L diesel with a carbon fiber body in some European race through Africa (8000 miles) for VW. He said the torque was 600 foot pounds and that all the electronic controls for traction control and the like are fantastic. As I remember, the cost per vehicle to put it in the race (total cost maybe) was around $1 million per. Definetly out of my budget. JoBo
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As previously mentioned that's the Paris to Dakar Rally and it explains the cost. Not many stockers can make that run. So after the extensive mods (suspension, spares, motor, etc.) a mill aint hard to imagine. Plus there is at least one ferry/boat ride involved as well. Wouldn't mind trying it myself, aint got the cash or time tho. Little bit of a danger factor aside from the actual race as well. Running thru a few areas with some definite bandit population as well as non-'Merican friendly folks.

Sarge
 
Are they actually taking orders for or shipping the KJ diesel yet? I looked on the Jeep web site about a week ago and I couldn't find any specs for it, and I couldn't price one out on-line.

I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder. My wife doesn't like to '00 Cherokee Classic, but she does like the Liberty ( :( )
 
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