Climate Change Junk Scientists are self-destructing.....history repeats itself

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I'm surprised that the whole "Climate is Changing and it's your fault 'cause you exist" craze has lasted this long.....seems like the only meltdown that's occuring is in-house, with the Junk Scientists and eco-terrorists.

This week we have breaking news that proves a GLOBAL cover-up of data that clearly debunks man-made global warming is talking place.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article.aspx?id=513195

Al Gore proves himself a moron on Conan last week, spouting off dribble that even my 11yr old knows is a lie. Proof that anyone can lie, cheat, extort, cover-up.....ding, ding, ding, give the schlub a Nobel Peace Prize!! (Obama got his already)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns_4pzfOSTc

And the pantload of Photoshop oops' discovered in Gore's most recent eco-propaganda experiment...........

a) Florida is mostly submerged in Al Gore’s version of the current earth picture, while it exists in real world, and in pictures of current earth released by NASA

b) Central America has become invisible in Al Gore’s version of the current earth picture, while it still exists in real world, and in pictures released by NASA.

c) Cuba has vanished into thin air in Al Gore’s version of the current earth picture, while it still exists in real world, and is still controlled by an evil dictator socialist regime, and still exists in pictures released by NASA.

d) You could see snow cover over Alaska and Canada, but Artic Ice, and majority of Greenland ice have vanished in Al Gore’s version of the current earth picture, while it still exists in real world, and in pictures released by NASA.

e) Four fake hurricanes are airbrushed into Al Gore’s version of the picture, with one of them (the one closest to Florida) spinning clearly in the wrong and opposite direction, a feat that never happens in real world. The hurricanes off of South America are almost on the equator, a feat that never happens in real world.



The "Global Climate Change" movement was never about saving the planet, it's ALL about eco-terrorism, fear-mongering, profiteering and extortion of your MONEY.


Scientists Debunk Fears of Global Warming Related Polar Bear Endangerment:
The U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service estimates that the polar bear population is currently at 20,000 to 25,000 bears, up from as low as 5,000-10,000 bears in the 1950s and 1960s. A 2002 U.S. Geological Survey of wildlife in the Arctic Refuge Coastal Plain noted that the polar bear populations “may now be near historic highs.” The alarm about the future of polar bear declineis based on speculative computer model predictions many decades in the future. And the methodology of these computer models is being challenged by many scientists and forecasting experts. (LINK)


Canadian biologist Dr. Mitchell Taylor, the director of wildlife research with the Arctic government of Nunavut: “Of the 13 populations of polar bears in Canada, 11 are stable or increasing in number. They are not going extinct, or even appear to be affected at present,” Taylor said. “It is just silly to predict the demise of polar bears in 25 years based on media-assisted hysteria.”

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index....ecord_id=d6c6d346-802a-23ad-436f-40eb31233026


I want to see ALL these scumbags inprisoned for extorting the billions of US tax dollars spent on the support of this contrived junk science......better yet, let's drop them off in the Arctic, for a hands-on survery of their debunked polar bear population decrease.........


Justice Served
 
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This info has always been out there. Americans are just sheep.
 
Part of me wants to go pull up my old Global Warming debate threads on here and re-post links to them just so I can say "see, I was right" - and I'd also like to remember the names of sheep I was debating with....




but I've got better things to do :D


BAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAA BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! LOL

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That was me, JNickel. Here is a passage from one of my posts that is of relevance to the initial post in this thread:


SNIP

"As for cooling over the last 10 years you are indeed correct, or at least correct over the most recent part of the last ten years (see uppermost chart on the left of Link 3). But the drop was, from extrapolation of the data represented on the chart, just a part of a short term warming/cooling cycle that has repeated numerous times throughout the period of record of the chart. A more objective and thorough look at the chart would easily reveal this succession of short term cycles to be juxtaposed over long term warming, with each subsequent cycle starting at a higher base temperature. Of course all this proves nothing, and the warming may indeed be unrelated to humanity. But in consideration to the prevailing climatic conditions prior to the onset of the industrial revolution and the warming that has been occurring since, I don’t think an objective appraisal of this situation can come close to dismissing human activity as a potential cause, or at least one of multiple causes.

Link 3: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2008/"

END SNIP



I seem to recall you also astutely emphasizing the importance of not placing stock in short term data as they are unlikely to be statistically significant. The results of the blind, I repeat blind, statistical study linked below confirms your point rather emphatically.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091026/ap_on_bi_ge/us_sci_global_cooling
 
XJeeper, if the allegations about the Hadley center are as they are purported to be then I agree with the sentiment that at the very least those involved should never work in the sciences again, at the very least, and they very well never may. But I don't see the evidence for a global conspiracy in your link. If there is a global conspiracy, I don't know that receding glaciers and permafrost are part of it.

Are you aware that smoothing data is a commonly accepted practice? For example, a hydrogeologist may eliminate seasonal data and just use data collected on a certain date once per year so that any long term trends, say nitrate concentration, becomes more readily apparent.
 
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XJeeper, if the allegations about the Hadley center are as they are purported to be then I agree with the sentiment that at the very least those involved should never work in the sciences again, at the very least, and they very well never may. But I don't see the evidence for a global conspiracy in your link. If there is a global conspiracy, I don't know that receding glaciers and permafrost are part of it.

Then look at the other links as-well.
 
We're too worried about cars, and not worried about the methane cows produce.
Way more damaging.

And that is why I am doing my best to eat as much BEEF as humanly possible!

Damn vegetable eaters keep destroying the plant life and reducing the good work I am doing. Vegans and Vegetarians are polluting the planet! TAX the real polluters!
 
We're too worried about cars, and not worried about the methane cows produce.
Way more damaging.

And termites

OK, I've looked at XJeepers other links. All I got from them is that he and his daughter don't accept that geothermal heating exists.

Looks like they've never been to Yellowstone...
The links on the CRU
 
OK, I've looked at XJeepers other links. All I got from them is that he and his daughter don't accept that geothermal heating exists.

Looks like they've never been to Yellowstone...

You see what you want to see Rod Knee, I can't make you learn the truth.

You obvously feel compelled to defend Al Gore's dribble. I was in Yellowstone last year.....pretty, full of geothermal activity. What's the point you're attempting to make? The existance of geothermal heating (yes, it's a great energy source) has nothing to do with this topic.

Are you having trouble keeping up, or is this your feeble attempt at a derail?

Cap and Trade legislation both in the US and the World is based on scientific data that has been modified to support theory and scare the ignorant into agreement that everyone should pay more for everything they purchase and alter their lifestyle, which in THEORY, might reduce the warming of the planet a fraction of a degree.

This isn't about "smoothing data", it's about flat-out lying and covering up data that refutes the scientists claims of man's effect on global temperatures. This data exposes Cap and Trade, Global Warming and the church of Al Gore as huge frauds and junk science.........those of us with more than 2 brain cells to rub together knew all along. The Cap and Trade Bill needs to be repealed, as it is base wholely on falsified data.

The world will see this for what it is, the largest Ponzy Scheme ever perpetrated on mankind.

Cap and Trade was never about helping the planet, it was always about scaring folks and taking their money.......it's SNAKE OIL sales 101. It's eco-terrorism and extortion. Man does not control the climate. Never has, never will.

Seems you're too lazy to do some simple Google searches and read the data for yourself........just trust the government and wait for them to "take care" of you. :doh:
 
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The one thing I've never understood about Cap and Trade is, who ultimately gets the money? If the profits were applied to technology that would stop pollution, fine. But, all that I've seen indicates that the money will get funneled to corporations that will do nothing except to enrich the investors. I watched Ed Begly Jr. almost go across the desk on Cavuto yesterday when confronted with the 'facts' of global warming. These 'environmentalists' have been sold a bill of goods, and they're not happy with the recent findings.
In earlier times, townfolk would tar and feather charlatans and run them out of town. Just ten years ago, Bill Clinton underwent a lot of scrutiny for polluting a blue dress. We're being fawked a lot harder now, and most of the sheep are not even flinching.
 
XJeeper, you must have forgotten that you posted a youtube link to Al Gore discussing geothermal energy in your initial post which you disparaged mightily. If there was a "derail attempt", it was yours. Now you are saying its a great energy source. Shoot for some consistency , man.

I'm off for the weekend. Have a great Turkey Day, XJeeper.
 
Rod Knee, simply all I'm saying is that at one time, this Earth was once covered with ice.

At another time, it was damn near completely covered with water (polar ice caps were all but totally melted).

Neither was due to human factors. Neither is what is going on today....or 25 years ago....or 200 years ago....

That's pretty much as simple as you can get. You want evidence of "global climate change", then you need to look at that big yellow/orange nuclear reactor sitting in the center of our solar system.
 
The one thing I've never understood about Cap and Trade is, who ultimately gets the money?

The best estimates by financial experts working for the news media are that AL GORE stands to make about $500 MILLION off of cap-and-steal, based on his investments.

What a surprise! I had no idea some crooked SOB would be profiting from this!

For all you true believers, how about you go back to the first U.S. "Earth Day" and listen to all those predictions made by the FIPS (Freakin' Idiot Pseudo Scientists), and review their predictions for the past 27 years. If you lost all of your fingers, and all of your toes except for one pinky-toe, you would still not use all of your available digits to count their dire predictions for ecological disasters that have come true in the past 27 years.

However, if you had all of your toes and fingers, and you counted each digit as $100 BILLION, you still wouldn't have enough digits to account for all the money these FIPSs have sucked out of the economy in grants for studies that somehow always seem to prove them right--well, now the emails are out and now we know why they are always right. In accounting that is called "cooking the books", in science apparently it is called "peer review".
 
Then look at the other links as-well.


There's actually getting to be alot out there, and I am trying to absorb it as I can. I think the worst of the revelations is the apparent attitude of the Harley CRU researchers toward AGW skeptics. I agree that an advisarial outlook to those with whom you disagree with smacks of agenda. In real science those that disagree with you are collegues, not advisaries.

I don't know what their intentions where when they manipulated data. Data manipulation is routine in data analysis. Anytime data is summarized such as in calculating an average or a standard deviationit is manipulated. From what I can tell so far, at Hadley they were smoothing data, whether objectively or not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoothing
 
Yeah, JNickel I absolutely agree that the earth is more or less always in a state of change climatically. My point has always been that given the correlation of warming with the advent of the industrial revolution, you cannot dismiss the possiblity that said warming wasn't at least partly human induced. What we do about it is another story, and you guys might be suprised at the extent to which I agree with you on what that is, at least in broad terms. I tend to jump into discussions when I disagree...when everyone agrees it gets to be too much like a tugawar with everyone pulling on the same side of the rope.

Hey, JNickel, save some room for that pumpkin pie tommorrow, would you? And watch some football.
 
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