CCW Holder stops mass shooting

[crazyjim]

http://dustinsgunblog.blogspot.com/2008/05/nv-mass-shooting-stopped-by-ccw-permit.html

Wednesday, May 28, 2008

NV: Mass Shooting Stopped by CCW Permit Holder

In the small town of Winnemucca Nevada a man bent on performing a mass shooting at a bar was stopped by an armed CCW permit holder who happened to be in the right place at the right time. The alleged mass murderer had already killed two victims & had injured two others with gunshot wounds, but after reloading to resume his shooting spree he was shot & killed by an armed CCW permit holder who was also at the bar. The alleged mass murderer & his two dead victims were already dead by the time Police arrived on the scene once again proving that when seconds count, only the immediate responders are already on the scene, while first responders (Police) are only minutes away. This is further proof that gun free zones are a travesty that must be ended.

. . .The officers on scene discovered three adult males who had died from obvious gunshot wounds. Two additional gunshot victims were also located. One of these victims, a 34 year old male, was transported to Humboldt General Hospital via private vehicle. The other victim, a 22 year old female, was transported via Humboldt County Ambulance . . .
. . . The subsequent investigation lead detectives to believe that Villagomez entered the bar and at some point began firing multiple rounds. At least two of these rounds struck and killed the other two decedents, Jose Torres age, 20 and his brother Margarito Torres, age 19 both of Winnemucca. At some point during this shooting spree Villagomez allegedly stopped and according to witnesses reloaded his . . . handgun and began shooting again. It was at this point that the second shooter, the Reno resident, produced a concealed handgun and proceeded to fire upon Villagomez who succumbed to his wounds. The Reno resident was in possession of a valid Concealed Carry Permit issued through the Washoe County Sheriff’s Office . . .
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Luckily Nevada does not turn places that happen to serve alcohol for on premises consumption into a so-called "Gun Free Zone" or who knows how high the victim count could have been before Police could have arrived to end it. In Arizona & many other States citizens are not currently allowed to carry a defensive weapon into places that serve alcohol. It is long past time that we get rid of gun free zones, places where only the Police & the criminals are armed.

 

[HawkZero]

I would actually say that the CCW holder was in the wrong place at the wrong time, but was forward thinking enough to be prepared for the worst.

Having to take a life sucks...but its better than the alternative. He was fortunate to be in state that truly respects and individuals right to self protection.

 

[JoesXJ]

He was fortunate to be in state that truly respects and individuals right to self protection.

so are you...well depending on where in CA you live. www.calccw.com

 

[crazyjim]

I'm not sure how well Kern county is at issuing CCW's... I know OC and San B. are both relatively quick in the process, also, Ventura issues but is slow. Riverside County has a new sheriff, Stan Sniff, who didn't get along with the old sheriff on certain office politics, which is good. I'm curious on his stance on CCW's, I'll be applying.

 

[JoesXJ]

Kern county is good to go for CCW I believe.

 

[HawkZero]

Kern county is good to go for CCW I believe.

Unfortunately I live about 100 yards inside Ridgecrest city limits. Therefore I have to get city police to sign off on CCW and that is much more difficult that getting Kern county. I haven't quite gotten the code broken yet on what one has to list as a NEED to carry yet. The typical reasons are "carrying large sums of money or own a business" etc.

 

[JoesXJ]

Have you tried? Call and ask. Many places will have you apply at the City level and then at the county level after you where denied by the city. Kern county DOES issue CCW permits, as of 2006 there where 4006 permits issued (http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/ccwissuances2006.pdf).

As far as how loose they are with "good cause", I dont know, thats what the pro-CCW sites are for. :thumbup:

*** EDIT *** On second look, Kern County had the most of any county, I'd say they are loose as hell as long as you meet the requirements (clean record, etc.)

 

[ECKSJAY]

lol, media and their agendas...

Here are some selected headlines from Google News search results!

"Gunfire at bar leaves 3 dead"

"Three dead in shooting at Winnemucca bar"

"Three Men Killed in Winnemucca Shooting on Sunday"

"Police: 3 dead in Nevada bar shooting that may have stemmed from feud"

 

[Kevin3151]

Maybe I will buy a liquor store so I can get one.

KH

 

[blackhawk411]

If you have guns that total up to $3000 that can be used as a "good cause". you say you feel threatened everytime you go shooting because if you get robbed or something you release 3k worth of guns out on the streets. That's what the CCW class guy told us

 

[Kejtar]

If you have guns that total up to $3000 that can be used as a "good cause". you say you feel threatened everytime you go shooting because if you get robbed or something you release 3k worth of guns out on the streets. That's what the CCW class guy told us

1. Good causes are personal. Each case is different each person is different.
2. What passes for good cause will vary from issuing authority to issuing authority.

Things are often not as simple as "I got $3K worth of something" (though they can be).

 

[jeeperjohn]

1. Good causes are personal. Each case is different each person is different.
2. What passes for good cause will vary from issuing authority to issuing authority.

Things are often not as simple as "I got $3K worth of something" (though they can be).

How about " because I am a red blooded gawdamn loyal American war veteran and I gawdamn well want one!!!"

 

[cal]

Yeah, thats what I want more of..

More guys carrying concealed guns .. in a bar.

I guess I've been hit over the head with one too many barstools to be cozy with that idea.

 

[Kejtar]

How about " because I am a red blooded gawdamn loyal American war veteran and I gawdamn well want one!!!"

Oh I agree that's what it should be like... but... the reality especially in Ca is different.

 

[Kejtar]

Yeah, thats what I want more of..

More guys carrying concealed guns .. in a bar.

I guess I've been hit over the head with one too many barstools to be cozy with that idea.

You'd be surprised how much out of their way folks who carry concealed go to avoid trouble....

 

[cal]

You'd be surprised how much out of their way folks who carry concealed go to avoid trouble....

You'd be amazed how much some of them don't. Granted, those may be the unlicensed guys - but a gun tucked away is a gun tucked away and a bar is the wrong place for it.

 

[Loose_Nuts_Enterprises]

People who go through the paces to legally obtain a CCW, are generally more responsible and aware of their surroundings, especially while carrying. When I did the interview for mine, the interviewer said he couldn't believe how many people use the large sums of money statement. They get denied more often than not....they don't care about your money. It can be replaced. The whole purpose of the permit is for the well being and safety of lives, which can not be replaced if lost.

For my application, the reason I wanted the permit was one sentence.

" I feel I deserve the priveledge to protect myself and my loved ones."

If you're worried about people having guns in bars, you have too much spare time and should be working on your jeep, anyway...
:cheers:

 

[Kejtar]

You'd be amazed how much some of them don't. Granted, those may be the unlicensed guys - but a gun tucked away is a gun tucked away and a bar is the wrong place for it.

See... broad statements in any category are scary. It's like the few idiots crossing into the campground in Calico have screwed up the Doran trail because they are viewed as majority instead of minority, the few idiots you've run into are screwing it up for the ccw folks.

 

[ECKSJAY]

You'd be amazed how much some of them don't. Granted, those may be the unlicensed guys - but a gun tucked away is a gun tucked away and a bar is the wrong place for it.

Yeah, 'cause criminals follow the letter of the law all the time. :roflmao:

People drink and drive, should we eliminate parking lots at bars?