Any Hitachi R160/R180/R200 diff gurus around?

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I'm looking for a comparison chart on the Hitachi R160, R180, and R200 diffs (and their variants) but am not turning up consistent info. We've got a few folks here into Japanese stuff, so figured I'd go fishing.

What I really need are external case dimensions (preferably with mounting point details), stub shaft lengths/diameters/spline counts, and gear ratios. A list of vehicle applications would also be a huge help.

For anyone who may be wondering what prompted this: ARB is apparently readying an R180 locker for production (source). I'm interested in this for Subaru use, but they run an R160 (which apparently has the same housing as the R180), so am trying to figure out the viability of a swap.
 
what subie?

Potentially an SF Forester. The goal is a daily driver with 30%-40% of the XJ's offroad capability with 50% better average fuel economy.

R180s come standard in stis. the r160 is the rs/wrx diff.

AFAIK, Subaru used the R160 right from the EA71 series up to present as their default rear diff - so swapping in an R180 should potentially be possible for anything from the early '70s up to today. I was semi-aware of the R180 going in the STi, but figure those ones will be ridiculous money if they turn up, hence why I'm looking into interchange.

One potential catch I did find with the locker being developed for the Xterra is that the Xterra apparently uses an R180A, which has an offset carrier compared to the R180; this may or may not be an issue in the rear of a Subaru depending on what the offset does to the driveline angles and physical space requirements. However, with the Subaru diff being in a static location all the time it could possibly be a realistic transplant. If it'll work in a non-offset diff, even better.
 
dont forget that datsun used those diffs for years 510s early zcars had 160s and 180s later zx's cames with 200s might only be turbo models with the 200 as far as the zcars went all three interchanged with minor modifications mostly the rear mount and the axles stubs that plug into it datsuns used u joint shafts instead of cvs i had a 73 240z and ive had all three in it at some point not sure if that helps but theres some cheap donor cars atleast
 
Potentially an SF Forester. The goal is a daily driver with 30%-40% of the XJ's offroad capability with 50% better average fuel economy.

AFAIK, Subaru used the R160 right from the EA71 series up to present as their default rear diff - so swapping in an R180 should potentially be possible for anything from the early '70s up to today. I was semi-aware of the R180 going in the STi, but figure those ones will be ridiculous money if they turn up, hence why I'm looking into interchange.

One potential catch I did find with the locker being developed for the Xterra is that the Xterra apparently uses an R180A, which has an offset carrier compared to the R180; this may or may not be an issue in the rear of a Subaru depending on what the offset does to the driveline angles and physical space requirements. However, with the Subaru diff being in a static location all the time it could possibly be a realistic transplant. If it'll work in a non-offset diff, even better.

to use the r180, you need basically everything from the rear of a sti, but it will bolt right up. you'll also get much stronger axles, hubs, and brembos, the cost isn't *too* extreme as far as subaru stuff goes. i've seen sti rears end swaps go for $1000-1500. for that price, you can also get a quaife LSD. the svx also came with the r200, but i dont know that much about that swap.

my opinion: rebuild the tranny (5spd i hope..) with an OBX LSD.. so you now have a worm gear front limited slip. then find an outback rear diff with a LSD (same r160), rebuild it and add make it tighter than stock and slap it into the fozzy. i think some fozzys had lsd options as well, not too sure though.
 
dont forget that datsun used those diffs for years 510s early zcars had 160s and 180s

Yup, I'd run across those in my searching. Problem is that we have zero rear-drive Datsuns/Nissans in the yards around here that aren't trucks, which means solid axles.

later zx's cames with 200s might only be turbo models with the 200 as far as the zcars went all three interchanged with minor modifications mostly the rear mount and the axles stubs that plug into it datsuns used u joint shafts instead of cvs i had a 73 240z and ive had all three in it at some point not sure if that helps but theres some cheap donor cars atleast

This also gels with what I've been seeing. From what I can tell, if I want to go drop-in the R200 is best avoided - it's not a lot of work, but for what I'd be going for with this vehicle it's just more than I want to get into. More on that below:

to use the r180, you need basically everything from the rear of a sti, but it will bolt right up.

Good to know, and that also fits with what I've been turning up.

you'll also get much stronger axles, hubs, and brembos, the cost isn't *too* extreme as far as subaru stuff goes. i've seen sti rears end swaps go for $1000-1500. for that price, you can also get a quaife LSD.

Agreed on all the benefits above, but my gut feeling is that the R200 (and work to get it in there) would likely be serious overkill in this case. There's probably a pretty good argument to be made that with a locker in there it would hold up to hard loading better than an R180, but given how I intend to use this vehicle and the fact that it's very unlikely to ever receive major performance boosts, it's difficult to justify (unless there's something I've missed in all of this, in which case I'd love to hear about it).

the svx also came with the r200, but i dont know that much about that swap.

Hm, OK. I'll file that one away for future reference just in case the R200 starts looking likely; I know we had two SVXs in the local boneyards at the end of the Summer.

my opinion: rebuild the tranny (5spd i hope..) with an OBX LSD..

The one I'm looking at is a 4EAT. Not my first gearbox choice by any means, but the car in question is extremely clean and a fully-loaded S model. Needs headgaskets and a timing belt (like they all do), but the price is right and it has full service history at the dealer right up to the point where the head gaskets went.

The one advantage I can see to the 4EAT vs. the 5MT is that $25 in electronic components gives you the equivalent to a switchable centre diff lock, which was never offered on the 5MT. If they'd offered the dual-range manual here I'd definitely be going for that (even a 1.2:1 low range is better than nothing on a sharp descent), but importing one of those 'boxes from Australia or Japan is more than I want to get into.

so you now have a worm gear front limited slip. then find an outback rear diff with a LSD (same r160), rebuild it and add make it tighter than stock and slap it into the fozzy. i think some fozzys had lsd options as well, not too sure though.

Can't disagree with that; it certainly makes sense.

FWIW, Foresters could be had with the LSD rear, but Subaru didn't appear to be consistent year-to-year in how it was offered - sometimes it was tied to a trim package, sometimes it was tied to other options, other times it was just a checkbox on the order sheet, and other times it just wasn't available. At least, that's what I'm seeing from what is cropping up online.
 
The one I'm looking at is a 4EAT. Not my first gearbox choice by any means, but the car in question is extremely clean and a fully-loaded S model. Needs headgaskets and a timing belt (like they all do), but the price is right and it has full service history at the dealer right up to the point where the head gaskets went.

The one advantage I can see to the 4EAT vs. the 5MT is that $25 in electronic components gives you the equivalent to a switchable centre diff lock, which was never offered on the 5MT. If they'd offered the dual-range manual here I'd definitely be going for that (even a 1.2:1 low range is better than nothing on a sharp descent), but importing one of those 'boxes from Australia or Japan is more than I want to get into.

Can't disagree with that; it certainly makes sense.

FWIW, Foresters could be had with the LSD rear, but Subaru didn't appear to be consistent year-to-year in how it was offered - sometimes it was tied to a trim package, sometimes it was tied to other options, other times it was just a checkbox on the order sheet, and other times it just wasn't available. At least, that's what I'm seeing from what is cropping up online.

the 5mt will go 50/50.. you just need to floor it and get the VC to wind up :D
 
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