Yurf. Really, so what?

[5-90]

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - The U.S. military is tube-feeding more than a dozen of the 89 terror suspects on hunger strike at the Guantanamo Bay prison in Cuba, a spokesman said Friday.
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Some of the 89 striking detainees at Guantanamo have not eaten for a month, said Guantanamo detention mission spokesman Sgt. Justin Behrens. The others have refused at least nine consecutive meals, he said.

Fifteen have been hospitalized and 13 of those were being fed through tubes, Behrens said in a written response to questions from The Associated Press. Medics are monitoring all 89 and checking their vital signs daily, he added.

Previously, the military has said that 76 inmates were participating in the hunger strike.

British lawyer Clive Stafford-Smith, who represents one of the hunger strikers — Briton Omar Deghayes, 36 — warned Friday that some of the inmates were willing to starve themselves to death.

"People are desperate. They have been there three years. They were promised that the Geneva Conventions would be respected and various changes would happen and, unfortunately, the (U.S.) government reneged on that," Stafford-Smith said.

"Sadly, it is very hard to see how a very obstinate military and a very desperate group of prisoners are ever going to come to an agreement."

Guantanamo prison spokesman Maj. Jeff Weir said the military would not allow the detainees' conditions to become life-threatening.

"Basically, if you stop eating and wait several weeks or months, it is a slow form of suicide," Weir told British Broadcasting Corp. radio and television. "No detention facility in the world will deliberately let their people commit suicide, so we can't let that happen."

Weir said he did not know the reason behind the hunger strike.

"As far as their reasons for hunger striking it seems to be a myriad of different reasons that they all have, the largest one seems to be like they want to protest their continued (detention)," he said. "Their future is uncertain from a legal point view so they are trying to find out exactly what their future entails."

The prison at Guantanamo opened in January 2002 and now holds around 520 prisoners from 40 countries; more than 230 others have been released or transferred to the custody of their home governments. Many were captured during the U.S. war in
Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks.

You know what? I really don't care, and I don't see why we're putting them in hospital.

Maybe I'm just an incredibly callous SOB, or maybe it's just because I spend the best years of my life hunting scumballs like that (and I never brought any back - at least, not all of them...) but if they want to starve themselves to death, that's their perogative.

And this part here:

"People are desperate. They have been there three years. They were promised that the Geneva Conventions would be respected and various changes would happen and, unfortunately, the (U.S.) government reneged on that," Stafford-Smith said.

really burns me. Hey - you know what? The Geneva Conventions DO NOT apply to you! One more time for the slow ones - there are NO legal rights that the detainees at Guantanamo Bay enjoy under any law - they are not covered under United States law, they are not covered under International Law, and (until a nation claims them and, by extension, endorses belligerent action against the United States,) th Law of Land Warfare, the Geneva Conventions, and the Hague Accords don't apply, either.

In all honesty, we could execute every last one of them to-morrow, and be liable to no-one.

Meanwhile, they're getting better treatment than scum like that deserve, and I don't even see why "basic human rights" should be accorded to terrorists - look at their track record, and tell me why we play by the rules with them. (Rules, by the way, that we never endorsed when they were written. That's right - the US never signed on to the GC or the HA - but we follow them. Did I miss something?)

Bringing them back was a mistake in the first place. You don't negotiate with terrorists, you don't coddle them, you don't try to reform them. You pump them for information, kill them, and work your way up the chain.

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Discuss.

5-90

 

[viperbaron]

No argument here...

 

[JnJ]

Amen brotha!

 

[Dirt]

5-90 you could tell me the moon was made of shit and i would agree with you.

:yelclap:

:cheers:

 

[XJ_ranger]

5-90 you could tell me the moon was made of shit and i would agree with you.

:yelclap:

:cheers:

then be a John Kelly sackrider!

 

[5-90]

5-90 you could tell me the moon was made of shit and i would agree with you.

I wouldn't say that - I've not been there. One of a very few places I've missed, in fact (and the way my mother-in-law keeps after me, I'd not mind spending time between school terms there... Ah, quietude.)

Opie, dammit, ya spelled my name wrong!

5-90

 

[ren]

Sorry, I guess that I missed a few of 'em last time I was there.

 

[Darky]

I personally would feel no remorse if they did starve themselves. They were caught in a war, fighting against us, not claiming any country, not following any of the laws that are inplace to identify enemy combatants...forget em.

 

[XJ_ranger]

Opie, dammit, ya spelled my name wrong!

sorry about that - and the worst part is its right in your sig...

i agree too, though this statement throws me:

Bringing them back was a mistake in the first place. You don't negotiate with terrorists, you don't coddle them, you don't try to reform them. You pump them for information, kill them, and work your way up the chain.

I personaly am not the person to determine who should die and who should live...

I havent read or heard enough from reputable sources to know who these people are - you may label them as terrorists, but in their country to people of their same cause - they are hero's - just as much as thoes controvertial forces behind the War on Iraq are to some of us.
So, in my unknowing state - i can not pass judgement quickly enough to say interogate them, kill them, and find another one...

Just my thoughts....

 

[Bent]

If they have to feed them, ham hocks and beans ought to go through the tube alright.



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[Ramsey]

let em starve, then take pictures of them in dresses when there skinny and call em a runway model.

 

[red91]

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Discuss.

5-90

Discuss what brother ?

Once again your dead on.

We're just wasting money in Cuba with those idiots anyhow. Let them die...people make choices everyday and do so. Why should they be any different.

 

[Grifter144]

i like the way you think 5-90.....aint a day goes by i dont consider dropping my lousy job and this piss poor civilian shit and going back over to do some real hunting again.....(what is it about these women that keeps us here).

 

[Ramsey]

its the sex and the cooking

 

[red91]

its the sex and the cooking

They cook ?

yeah right ....

 

[Ramsey]

well ya gotta combo it. the mom for the food and the woman for the sex. just dont ever EVER get those two mixed up. the woman cooks like shit.

 

[Dirt]

well ya gotta combo it. the mom for the food and the woman for the sex. just dont ever EVER get those two mixed up. the woman cooks like shit.

your mom's pretty good at both.

 

[Ramsey]

and...

 

[red91]

and...

and I'd kick his ass for bringing your upstanding mother into a conversation like this.

 

[Ramsey]

thank you scott, that is a wonderful idea.