WOW just WOW

I saw that earlier.... I truly think the kids where trying to "still the pot" but I dont see how anyone could / should tell them they cannot have an american flag shirt on! I dont give a shit what day it is!
 
There are many interesting things happening around this.

1. The Cinco de Mayo holiday celebrations in the US are at the urging of Corona, Budweiser & Doritos. Cinco de Mayo is not Mexican Independence Day, that would be in mid September.
2. The young men that were sent home were in violation of the Flag Code, i.e. breaking US law.
3. The vice principal of the HS that told the young men to turn their shirts inside out is of hispanic descent.
4. Mexican hertiage month in California is March, to coincide with Cesar Chavez's birthday.
5. The AZ law is not racist motivated. Mexico is a nation, Mexican is a nationality, not a race. Illegal aliens are illegal, Mexican nationals with green cards (like my future son in law) are resident aliens, people born in Mexico who become citizens are US citizens.
6. The young men may have had the intention of being provocative, but the hispanic people who are offended by the display of the US flag, in the US are the ones who have a problem.
7. We live in a country of simple minded people.

Excerpt from Flag Code FAQs.
Accordinng to the Flag Code, a flag is anything "by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag."

The words "flag, standard, colors, or ensign", as used herein, shall include any flag, standard, colors, ensign, or any picture or representation of either, or of any part or parts of either, made of any substance or represented on any substance, of any size evidently purporting to be either of said flag, standard, colors, or ensign of the United States of America or a picture or a representation of either, upon which shall be shown the colors, the stars and the stripes, in any number of either thereof, or of any part or parts of either, by which the average person seeing the same without deliberation may believe the same to represent the flag, colors, standard, or ensign of the United States of America.

The article covered on SFgate.com, the website of the San Francisco liberal (well only) newspaper has an article about this incident. The comments section shows about a 70% in favor of the kids, not the school. Do you think the paper is out of touch?

Read here. In the last hour the article was moved off the front page and not listed in the sidebar either. The search function with key word "Morgan Hill" has the article and current 591 comments.

It would probably be inappropriate of me to post the vice principals Name, title, phone number and e-mail address, but it is listed in the comments section of the article linked at around 1130AM.
 
I dont care if the kids were trying to start something, They were well within their rights to wear the American flag (other than the flag code, but that gets broken every day by millions in one way or the other, and I am willing to bet that if that school has a flag outside, they have broken it more than once, although I doubt the principal even has a clue about the flag code anyways)
If their clothing choice led to a fight, the person who started it is still the one who is wrong. This is America, where it is wrong to judge people by the color of their skin, so how is it ok to judge someone by their choice of clothing? In my mind, anyone starting a fight over the flag would be guilty of a hate crime, and should have been punished accordingly.
 
Yah, the Flag Code was busted, but that get's busted every day in some way or another. You can't put a American Flag sticker on your Jeep without busting that Code.

The one L-A student equated this to them dissrespecting the US on the 4th. They have to be mindful as to whose holiday it is, and why it is celebrated. IIRC the Holiday celebrates a Mexican/French military battle. It is celebrated here and in Mexico as a party day, like St. Patric's day. Would Irish-American get upset because someone wore an American Flag T into a bar on St. Patty's day. I don't think so; they would offer them a green tinted Guinness and drink to their health.

These kids have to learn to adjust to who they are and where they are. They are imigrants, or son's and daughters of imigrants. We will assimulate them the same way we assimulated every other ethnicity, by being ourselves and borrowing pieces of their customs and language it will.

By the same token...

Were the kids in question out to make a statement? Absolutely, there is no doubt in my mind that these individuals were out to make a statement, an anti-Cinco De Mayo statement. Hey, it's their loss if they don't want to partake of the Nachos, that leaves more for the other kids ;)

Jeepman401- To play devil's advocate here... Many schools have anti-gang policies that prohibit certain clothing that could be considered 'flying you colors', like logo'd hats, logo'd shirts, etc. This may be the direction the school was headed. We have a biased view based on our interpretation of the flag shirt as equaling a flag. It is not a flag, it is a statement.

Ron
 
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The only place I wear or have ever worn a flag is on the right shoulder of my acu's, thats it.
 
Saying that wearing a shirt that has a Flag printed on it is ridiculous. Making a Flag into a shirt would be completely different.

The school let the Mexicans wear their flag and colors so they have no excuse in not allowing the kids American Flag decorated shirts.

I will be damned if someone would tell me not to wear an American flag or have one on my vehicle.

Cinco De Mayo isn't even a big deal for people who live in Mexico.

I work with a lot of mexicans, and quite a few of them live in Mexico and the only thing they know about it is that its the 5th of may.
 
I'm glad the students and families didn't give in to releasing an apology.

I'm all in favor of people keeping their heritage and being proud of their ancestry, but to say that wearing something with an American flag on it during 5 May is disrespectful is smoking crack.
 
It would probably be inappropriate of me to post the vice principals Name, title, phone number and e-mail address, but it is listed in the comments section of the article linked at around 1130AM.

Lemme help....

School Board:
[email protected];
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Vice Principal:
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Principal:
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Superintendent:
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...More than 200 Hispanic students reportedly skipped class on Thursday and marched to school district headquarters while chanting "we want respect" and "si se puedes" -- "yes we can" -- the Morgan Hill Times reported.

"We did this to support the Latino/Hispanic community," Francine Roa, a 2005 Live Oak High School graduate, told the newspaper.

At least six Morgan Hill police vehicles traveled alongside the students, many of whom carried Mexican flags.....


:moon:...."we want respect".....:moon:


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/07/tensions-high-california-high-school-following-flag-flap/
 
"We did this to support the Latino/Hispanic community," Francine Roa, a 2005 Live Oak High School graduate, told the newspaper

the problem I have with this is they are America and the "latino/Hispanic community" are AMERICANS (assuming they are legal) so why would they be offended by the American flag?? You came to America to be an American XXXXing act like one or leave!
 
the problem I have with this is they are America and the "latino/Hispanic community" are AMERICANS (assuming they are legal) so why would they be offended by the American flag?? You came to America to be an American XXXXing act like one or leave!

Remember, they are hispanic/latino.... That gives them the right to demand "respect".....
 
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I'm a little slow on the uptake, but after reading this for the 3rd time I realized something....

Why were the marchers not arrested? They were clearly truant from school, and isn't it against the law to have an assembly without a permit?
 
Jeepman401- To play devil's advocate here... Many schools have anti-gang policies that prohibit certain clothing that could be considered 'flying you colors', like logo'd hats, logo'd shirts, etc. This may be the direction the school was headed. We have a biased view based on our interpretation of the flag shirt as equaling a flag. It is not a flag, it is a statement.

Ron
I can see what you are getting at, but its a bit of a stretch for the administration to go in that direction. If the shirts had any type of anti immigrant slogan on them, yes, but the only words I could see at all were "OLD NAVY" on one of the shirts.
Also, if they were to try and go the anti-gang route, There had better not be a single flag in the entire school, something I find hard to believe
 
I'm a little slow on the uptake, but after reading this for the 3rd time I realized something....

Why were the marchers not arrested? They were clearly truant from school, and isn't it against the law to have an assembly without a permit?

I'm a firm believer that most kids don't give a shit about whatever political/social statement they're making by doing this stuff, they simply want an excuse to ditch school.
 
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