willys v6 questions

blondejoncherokee

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so i just bought a willys with a "ford 2.6 v6" in it.
looks more like the buick v6
but i have no idea
i really want to tune it up
how do i know which engine i have ?
 
Look for casting numbers?

I don't have my notes handy, but the V6 used in earler Jeeps (from the factory) was the Buick 225ci. Willys did have a couple of inline sixes as well - the L6-226, F6-226, and a smaller L-head (I don't recall the displacement.)

Give with the specifics of the vehicle at question, and I can check my notes for more information. Of course, that doesn't mean it wouldn't have been swapped down the line somewhere, but we can at least get a starting point.
 
the only ford 2.6 was the the baby brother of the "ranger/bronco II" 2.9, and was used in those early 70's mercury capri's. i can't imagine WHY someone would have done that, but it is conceivable. maybe because they're a pretty compact engine? is the distributor at the front, or back of the motor?
 
I may be wrong but I thought they didn't start putting V-6s into Jeeps until about 1965, well into the Kaiser era. That was a Kaiser-made version of the Buick V-6. If the vehicle actually says "Willys" on it I'd expect it's a transplant, in which case, of course, it could be anything.
 
the old buick odd fire 225....thats my bet unless someone switched it out....but thats a damn tough motor if its the buick. it had offset heads with the driver side farther forward than the passenger with a somewhat wide intake with the distributor at the back. it was also painted light blue from the factory with an odd oil fill tube like the pontiacs had.
 
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Were any but the Buick V6's and their progeny 90 degree engines? If not, then it should be pretty easy to pick out the old Buick or the Buick/Kaiser, since their peculiar layout required the distributor teats to be unevenly spaced.
 
Were any but the Buick V6's and their progeny 90 degree engines? If not, then it should be pretty easy to pick out the old Buick or the Buick/Kaiser, since their peculiar layout required the distributor teats to be unevenly spaced.

I think Ford had a 90-degree V6, and the ChryCo 238ci V6 is based on the 90-degree LA Block.

And don't forget - there were two versions of the old 231ci Buick - the odd-fire and the even-fire. The "odd-fire" is considered the stronger of the two, and I believe the G/N twin turbo version was only had in odd-fire.

Why is it stronger? To get the "Even-fire" crankshaft, it required splitting the crankpins and offsetting them. I don't have any good pictures of it to hand, but the "even-fire" and "odd-fire" cranks can be readily told apart - the "odd-fire" looks like a shortened version of the typical V8 crankshaft (two cylinders per throw, common pins,) and the "even-fire" still has two cylinders between each main journal, but they are no longer on a "common pin" - there's a "web" between "pin halves" (sorry to quote so much, but I'm stuck trying to explain it without a decent picture...)

However, the engines may be readily identified simply by looking at the distributor cap - if it has the correct one on it. The "even-fire" cap has the towers arranged 60* apart, and the odd-fire has towers at intervals of 0-45-120-165-240-285-0* (45*/75* splits.)

Why is this so? The "natural" bank angles for a V6 block would be 30*, 60*, or 120*; while the "natural" bank angles for a V8 would be 45*, 90*, or 135* (multiples of 30*, vice multiples of 45*. In both cases, the second is the best of the lot. Oddly, just about all even numbers of cylinders will work out with an included bank angle of 180* - or horizontal opposition, akin to the Folksvagen, Porsche, Lamborghini, and Corvair engines.)
 
I remember seeing a V6 in the 70's renegade CJ, had the spark plugs on the top inside of the heads intake manifold side, dealer back then said it was to keep the plugs dry. It was at a dealer in Reseda down the street from my aunt and uncles.
 
Yeah, I posted that up so the OP could check it out and decide if the Willy's has a Ford in it or not.

Ah.

@90 Waggy and OP - if he can find casting numbers that he can't run down, I'm hoping he'll post them. I've got access to a few resources that are "uncommon," and quite a long list of casting numbers for various engine bits and bobs (blocks, heads, cranks, intakes, and even cams! And, I'm sure, some stuff I'm forgetting...)

Whatever numbers you can find, pass them along. I know that casting numbers are sometimes "shared" among manufacturers - but being able to run blocks and heads will narrow things down considerably.
 
all i know is that the buick v6 in my jeepster was TOUGH. the linkage stuck wide open and before i could shut it down it blew 2 pistons and connecting rods along with half the camshaft (dunno how) out through the skirt on the driver side and still got me off the trail. two weeks later it drove itself into the barn to get stripped for the running gear. tougher than a bag of hammahs.
 
from what i can tell from ordering the carb parts its a 2.8. it also has 2.8 stamped on the intake. its a ford motor for sure, it has ford all over it.
carb part number was D4te-HA, its a motorcraft carb
which i was able to get a period of like i think 70-76 ford 2100 series carbs
 
Take a picture and post it, then someone can tell you what it is.
 
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