Running Rich/Weak Spark.... or somthing else? where to look for problems

ok, I will agree with the retarded timing. When using the cut-away cap method when #1 is at TDC the rotor tip is overlapping the #1 electrode by my best estimate about 80 thou, rather than the 20 thou air gap that is spec, right?

moving a whole tooth is way to much. so is that .1" difference enough that the ECU cant make up for it?
 
Today I tried switching out the TPS with the other unit I had and was able to get a steady number... but it was 4-6 deg AFTER TDC, i couldn't tell exactly since it isn't scaled in that direction. :wierd:
 
Re: Running Rich/Weak Spark.... or something else? where to look for problems

8Mud said:
Only one way to set the distributor and have it be 99% certain it´s right, is to hook up a vacuum gage, number 1, as soon as it builds a little vacuum, line up the timing mark (clean and mark the timing mark so you can see it well) it´s always best to have your last turn to the right on the balancer, when aligning the timing mark. Slide the distributor in until the the rotor lines up close to number one marked on the cap (I usually mark the side of the distributor case also) if it has the aligning fork still on the distributor, align it with this (at the clamp bolt). Did you ever look at the pin through the gear?
:doh: I meant to say compression and not vacuum, brain fart.

It´s not unheard of to have the woodruff key break on the harmonic balancer and for it to spin some on the shaft. You can check TDC 1, with a slightly bent piece of welding rod, down the spark plug hole and finding the highest piston travel that way, then checking the timing marks.
Have you checked for voltage and pulse (between the grey and blue with the connector connected) at the cam position sensor? I've heard, but never had the experience of it causing a very poor running motor.
The book says the TPS, CPS, MAP, MAT, engine temp. sensor and knock sensor all input timing.
I've only had one motor do what you what you describe, my son set the firing order counter clockwise.
Good compression, makes it unlikely it`s a cam timing problem (timing chain). But when in doubt, you can check to see what the number one intake and exhaust rockers were doing at TDC 1. They should be a little loose and at equal hight.
Your vacuum sucks, but if you get it somewhat stabilized, rapid pulsing of the needle is often a sign of valve trouble.
You can plug off all the vacuum lines, except the MAP and the motor will run just fine. Just for a test.
I've run mine before, with all the cables one off on the cap, ran just fine, the Renix seems to have a rather large timing envelope.
 
Runnin'OnEmpty said:
OK, this all adds up. Very low manifold vacuum, won't rev up, backfires when throttle opened, etc, etc. These are all symptoms of VERY retarded ignitiion timing. This could be from (among others), a spun gear on the distributor, plug wires misplaced on the cap, or distributor off a tooth or two (not likely because this has been checked).

I would put a timing light on it. This will tell if it indeed has retarded ignition timing, and exactly how much. I'd guess it's a lot. With retarded timing, an engine will easily start, but won't rev, and will have extremely low manifold vacuum.....

That all sounds very logical but I would also add that an old, stretched timing chain can also play havoc with the distributor indexing and injector timing. Remove the distributor cap (again!!!) and use a socket wrench to turn the engine by hand. Do it in both directions (clockwise and counterclockwise). If you turn the engine several degrees before there's any movement of the rotor, that's a sure sign of a stretched timing chain.
 
After thinking it over a little bit, I decided to get a new CPS because i wasn't sure if one or both that I had were bad.


After putting it in, the jeep starts right up and runs pretty damn good. Not great, but good... good enough for me
 
NCSUcherokee said:
After thinking it over a little bit, I decided to get a new CPS because i wasn't sure if one or both that I had were bad.


After putting it in, the jeep starts right up and runs pretty damn good. Not great, but good... good enough for me
Thank god, now if Cottontail can get his going. party1: :clap:
 
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