Is "right to work" legislation any benefit to anyone

[Fred]

Yep, the part that the public sector unions really don't like about Gov. Walkers bill, is that the state will no longer collect union dues for the union. They will have to be paid to the union by each member. This directly threatens the Democratic Party, since unions contribute almost soley to elect Democrats.

I hope you private sector union workers realize the difference between you and the public sector unions. You are negiotating for a piece of the value that you produce. The public sector unions are negiotating for a piece of your paycheck.

The question for me is why I should have to pay toward someone retiring at age 55, when I'll have to work until 66 at a minimum before I can afford retirement(one through college and one to go and I'm an old guy.)

 

[Jeepman401]

I guess that just goes to show that no solution is perfect for everyone all the time. Considering what you were going through at that dealership, it doesn't sound like a place where I would want to work. I take it you are no longer working there. It also sounds like the business was being mismanaged. Are they still in business?

I no longer work there, Ironically it was calling a union organization rep that got me laid off.

The dealership is still in business, they actually own 8 dealerships, and are known for selling crap used cars, and having poor service. There were 10 of us that worked there under the old owner in the shop, only 2 are left, and they are retiring soon, otherwise they would have moved on.

 

[WB9YZU]

Yep, the part that the public sector unions really don't like about Gov. Walkers bill, is that the state will no longer collect union dues for the union. They will have to be paid to the union by each member. This directly threatens the Democratic Party, since unions contribute almost soley to elect Democrats.

I hope you private sector union workers realize the difference between you and the public sector unions. You are negiotating for a piece of the value that you produce. The public sector unions are negiotating for a piece of your paycheck.

I heard the 1st idea drop of that on WPR in an interview with a guest. It seems everyone has a dog in this fight. The Koch Brothers set up a Madison office to more closely manage their pro-business spin.

What's this Pro-Business spin thing about? I thought the Gov wanted to gut collective bargaining so he could manage the cost side of the budget without interference from the Unions?

I agree with your analysis of the money flow. Sometimes I think that public employees (and Politicians) forget who ultimately pays their paychecks.

 

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"More than half of the unions in the United States today are public employee," said Michael Barone, a senior writer for U.S. News & World Report and co-author of the Almanac of American Politics.

"One third of the stimulus package in 2009 was directed at state and local governments, and in many ways that (was) used to maintain payrolls, public employee union members, to keep the dues coming in at a time we've been losing 8 million jobs total in the private sector.

Ohanian and Barone both said they see linkages between the highest union-employing states and unemployment rates, particularly in Michigan and Nevada, where the auto and gaming industries are respectively unionized.

Likewise, states like New York, New Jersey and California, with strong public unions in government, are also finding themselves with financial catastrophes on their hands.


http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm
The largest numbers of union members lived in California (2.4 million) and New York (2.0 million). About half of the 14.7 million union members in the U.S. lived in just six states (California, 2.4 million; New York, 2.0 million; Illinois, 0.8 million; Pennsylvania, 0.8 million; Ohio, 0.7 million; and New Jersey, 0.6 million), though these states accounted for only one-third of wage and salary employment nationally.

http://www.bls.gov/web/laus/laumstrk.htm


Unemployment Rates for States Monthly Rankings
Seasonally Adjusted
Dec. 2010p

Rank State Rate
1 NORTH DAKOTA 3.8
2 NEBRASKA 4.4
3 SOUTH DAKOTA 4.6
4 NEW HAMPSHIRE 5.5
5 VERMONT 5.8
6 IOWA 6.3
7 HAWAII 6.4
7 WYOMING 6.4
9 VIRGINIA 6.7
10 KANSAS 6.8
10 OKLAHOMA 6.8
12 MINNESOTA 7.0
13 MONTANA 7.2
14 MAINE 7.3
15 MARYLAND 7.4
16 UTAH 7.5
16 WISCONSIN 7.5
18 ARKANSAS 7.9
19 LOUISIANA 8.0
20 ALASKA 8.1
21 MASSACHUSETTS 8.2
21 NEW YORK 8.2
23 TEXAS 8.3
24 DELAWARE 8.5
24 NEW MEXICO 8.5
24 PENNSYLVANIA 8.5
27 COLORADO 8.8
28 CONNECTICUT 9.0
29 ALABAMA 9.1
29 NEW JERSEY 9.1
31 ILLINOIS 9.3
31 WASHINGTON 9.3
33 ARIZONA 9.4
33 TENNESSEE 9.4
35 IDAHO 9.5
35 INDIANA 9.5
35 MISSOURI 9.5
38 OHIO 9.6
38 WEST VIRGINIA 9.6
40 DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA 9.7
41 NORTH CAROLINA 9.8
42 MISSISSIPPI 10.1
43 GEORGIA 10.2
44 KENTUCKY 10.3
45 OREGON 10.6
46 SOUTH CAROLINA 10.7
47 RHODE ISLAND 11.5
48 MICHIGAN 11.7
49 FLORIDA 12.0
50 CALIFORNIA 12.5
51 NEVADA 14.5

 

[XJEEPER]

Interesting......the majority of states with the highest unemployment rate also have the largest earning spread between State employees and the private sector. Ironic, that those same states keep re-electing Progressive Socialist who've convinced their constituents that the government is their nanny.......except they are bankrupt. Seems like bigger government hurts the general population, those whacky Founding Father predicted this exact problem over 2 centuries ago.



Compensation gap by state for public, private workers

State and local government workers earn more than private-sector workers in 41 states. Average compensation (including salaries and benefits) in 2009 and difference with private-sector workers:

Rank State Compensation Difference

1 District of Columbia $82,607 +$457

2 Connecticut $77,697 +$7,687

3 New Jersey $72,007 +$6,681

4 California $71,385 +$7,977

5 New York $71,282 +$1,699

6 Rhode Island $69,284 +$17,603

7 Nevada $68,785 +$17,815

8 Maryland $65,947 +$6,931

9 Massachusetts $62,562 —$4,688

10 Alaska $60,882 +$2,764

11 Illinois $60,274 +$485

12 Delaware $60,077 +$2,911

13 Hawaii $59,595 +$12,243

14 Washington $59,288 +$532

15 Michigan $58,801 +$6,436

16 Florida $58,749 +$9,099

17 Arizona $56,321 +$4,310

18 Minnesota $55,826 +$1,259

19 Virginia $55,705 —$2,328

20 Oregon $55,682 +$5,607

21 Pennsylvania $55,137 +$1,567

22 Colorado $54,184 —$3,391

23 Wyoming $53,460 +$3,116

24 South Carolina $52,591 +$7,590

25 Ohio $52,473 +$2,392

26 Louisiana $52,412 +$2,473

27 New Hampshire $52,181 —$1,876

28 Vermont $51,503 +$5,811

29 New Mexico $51,428 +$5,715

30 Texas $51,310 —$3,580

31 Alabama $50,999 +$5,001

32 North Carolina $50,902 +$1,857

33 Wisconsin $50,774 +$1,802

34 Iowa $50,394 +$6,178

35 Utah $50,149 +$2,611

36 Maine $49,850 +$4,912

37 Georgia $49,600 —$3,875

38 Indiana $49,157 +$1,183

39 Missouri $49,092 —$1,075

40 Nebraska $48,953 +$3,130

41 Kentucky $48,046 +$2,313

42 Arkansas $48,033 +$4,196

43 West Virginia $47,899 +$3,655

44 Tennessee $47,891 —$756

45 Montana $47,596 +$7,396

46 Oklahoma $47,258 +$1,667

47 Mississippi $46,375 +$4,713

48 Idaho $45,280 +$2,855

49 Kansas $44,803 —$3,229

50 North Dakota $43,619 +$389

51 South Dakota $41,684 +$1,909

Total United States $57,775 +$2,511

 

[Boatwrench]

Interesting......the majority of states with the highest unemployment rate also have the largest earning spread between State employees and the private sector. Ironic, that those same states keep re-electing Progressive Socialist who've convinced their constituents that the government is their nanny.......except they are bankrupt. Seems like bigger government hurts the general population, those whacky Founding Father predicted this exact problem over 2 centuries ago.



Compensation gap by state for public, private workers

State and local government workers earn more than private-sector workers in 41 states. Average compensation (including salaries and benefits) in 2009 and difference with private-sector workers:

Rank State Compensation Difference


4 California $71,385 +$7,977

The Bell, California scandal is skewing the numbers...