does this sound constitutional?

[dzolcali]

Preamble: We, the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for the preservation of the American Union and the existence of our civil, political and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those blessings to us and our posterity, do, for the more certain security thereof and for the better government of this State, ordain and establish this Constitution.


call me silly but I think it's not mystery who "god almighty" is...and if i don't believe in god, then why must I abide by the silly legislation these god lovers have proposed and passed in gods favor?

 

[johnlv6]

We're never going to completely separate church and state...keep that in mind.

 

[dzolcali]

oh I understand but seriously I think if I spent a moment I could maybe think of a more politically correct preamble that said the same thing and it wouldn't negate any of our constitutional rights....I guess?

 

[goodburbon]

It's just a statement as to why the people who signed the constitution are signing the constitution, not the constitution itself.

Third article of the bill of rights.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Your example was
A. not made by congress
B. not a law, just a preamble
C. didn't respect an ESTABLISHMENT of religion.

I definately believe in separation of church and state, but to wipe all mention of God from every lawbook isn't productive. Just wipe all blue laws and dry county laws. Those are the religious laws that don't mention God, but do impose someone elses religious views on me.

 

[dzolcali]

that is true but even still...you don't think it some how violates your peace of mind when you read it...you say "these are the people passing the laws, and this is what they believe in"...so whether is directly implies this law was decided based on their religion, or if it remotely implies the laws passed are based off of people who write preambles for their states in such a manor as to refer to god, it could group all laws passed into the category of for the religion or majority.

 

[HilltopXJ]

then why must I abide by the silly legislation these god lovers have proposed and passed in gods favor?

You dont! you could move to another country

 

[dzolcali]

If i moved to another country then I wouldn't live in NC anymore...thus defeating the purpose of me living in NC and having to live by their jesus loving laws... As simple as it is to say "if you don't like it leave.." It goes both ways, I have as much right to live in NC as any other person who lives here...thus that statement doesn't stand as valid. It only really applies to those who come from foreign lands and therefore do not already possess the rights of an American, if they complain, then yes, if you don't like it leave. But for this instance that just doesn't work.

 

[HilltopXJ]

Call your congressman and bitch to him. I sure if you donate some money
he will look into this.

 

[goodburbon]

I do not find it comforting.

I had a startling revelation last night. People first turn to an irrational solution when faced with an irrational fear. After that it is a slippery slope to just turn to a god for everything. This came upon me as I lay in bed trying to fall asleep. I had just seen a program on Discovery about Hauntings. Suddenly l lie there hearing every noise, growing apprehensive of even my own bed. Then the most amazing thing happened. As a reflex, perhaps from my younger days of religious conformity, I wanted to begin praying. I immediately realized how logical it all was. People have irrational fears programmed into them for years, and then they are taught to understand an irrational solution that eases their fears. People who fear gods are not to be feared, people who know that YOU should fear god should be feared.

I haven't been religious for many years now. I see both sides overreacting to the State and church debate. Why not display the ten commandments in a courthouse? Why not mention god on the dollar bill, or in a state constitutions preamble? On the other side. Why ban the sale of alcohol? Why ban gambling? Why not allow a man to marry another man, or woman another woman? Why is bestiality a crime?

Keeping one foot in religion keeps us grounded for now, there are too many people out there that cannot accept that there is no god, and that we are the masters of ourselves.

 

[dzolcali]

I do not find it comforting.

I had a startling revelation last night. People first turn to an irrational solution when faced with an irrational fear. After that it is a slippery slope to just turn to a god for everything. This came upon me as I lay in bed trying to fall asleep. I had just seen a program on Discovery about Hauntings. Suddenly l lie there hearing every noise, growing apprehensive of even my own bed. Then the most amazing thing happened. As a reflex, perhaps from my younger days of religious conformity, I wanted to begin praying. I immediately realized how logical it all was. People have irrational fears programmed into them for years, and then they are taught to understand an irrational solution that eases their fears. People who fear gods are not to be feared, people who know that YOU should fear god should be feared.

I haven't been religious for many years now. I see both sides overreacting to the State and church debate. Why not display the ten commandments in a courthouse? Why not mention god on the dollar bill, or in a state constitutions preamble? On the other side. Why ban the sale of alcohol? Why ban gambling? Why not allow a man to marry another man, or woman another woman? Why is bestiality a crime?

Keeping one foot in religion keeps us grounded for now, there are too many people out there that cannot accept that there is no god, and that we are the masters of ourselves.

mainly agreed all but the beastiality...umm please ellaborate on that one?

but seriously we are all monkeys...I mean not derived from monkeys we are just another species of monkeys, more intelligent yes...superior..NO sure we can surive easier and have much better means of taking care of ourselves but then again we do some of the dumbest shit a species could possibly do...examples:
pollute your own environment, make up your own ellaborate conclusions to the universe, deodorant, shaving, clothes, pets, jewelry just to name a couple. These are all things i consider as dumb monkey activity. Opinions would be another dumb monkey activity that I heavily engage in...sometimes I wish I could just speak with peace of mind and then be done with a conversation.

oh well

 

[goodburbon]

Beastiality thrown in to see if you were paying attention. But I honestly can't find a reason why it should be illegal. After all, aren't we animals? Do we impound dogs for humping our legs or our cats?

I disagree with your monkey assessment on one count, we're actually apes.

BTW, I often "attack" you because you are so scattered, and cannot maintain a conversation within any reasonable bounds. You are quite tangential.

 

[dzolcali]

Beastiality thrown in to see if you were paying attention. But I honestly can't find a reason why it should be illegal. After all, aren't we animals? Do we impound dogs for humping our legs or our cats?

I disagree with your monkey assessment on one count, we're actually apes.

BTW, I often "attack" you because you are so scattered, and cannot maintain a conversation within any reasonable bounds. You are quite tangential.

apes monkeys...it's just wording
agreed on the animal thing sorta...still don't find any means of making it legal to screw a dog, a dog can't exactly chain you up and take advantage of your wiener....however on the other end, a human can chain a dog up or detain it and take advantage of it's sexual organs without consent...it's sorta morbid to talk about this I guess but eh...most animals don't interbreed when left in the wild.

I'm only scattered because I have what appears to be 100% versatile knowledge than the average monkey

for instance, you want to talk about one subject, I can contribute even if it's minute, but if you want to talk about another subject, I can more than likely contribute to that as well if not lead the topic. Most people can hardly keep on topic and tend to just re-state facts without thinking subjectively or even objective about a something aka out of the box. Sure I know what the norm is, almost always, in fact to me the norm is what is generally accepted...don't assume I don't know already what the "norm" is. If I am saying something that seems quirky or scattered it is only because I am looking for like minded individuals to challenge my own thinking, not to start an argument or to be called out as a kook or what have you. And just for kicks occasionally I just throw out things I know will piss off a few given individuals in the "Know" and I wait for their response, I chuckle, and then continue on with my day.

Heres more food for thought, it's 5:30 am and I am still up...as usual, reading...as usual...and I have school at 9:30 am as usual...hehe and everyone wonders why i'm strange and don't capitilize my i's.

 

[Wolfe]

Humping Dumb animals is wrong. They have no say and probably think you're ugly anyway.


As for G-d, it doesnt actually specify Jesus, does it? Couldnt that be left open to your own spiritual interpretation? Unless you are agnostic or athiest.

 

[Wolfe]

We have this, pretty much the same

An Act to constitute the Commonwealth of Australia. [9th July 1900]

(The Commonwealth of Australia Constitution Act 1900 is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom at Westminster)

Whereas the people of New South Wales, Victoria, South Australia, Queensland, and Tasmania, humbly relying on the blessing of Almighty God, have agreed to unite in one indissoluble Federal Commonwealth under the Crown of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, and under the Constitution hereby established:

And whereas it is expedient to provide for the admission into the Commonwealth of other Australasian Colonies and possessions of the Queen:

Be it therefore enacted by the Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, and Commons, in this present Parliament assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:--

 

[goodburbon]

So killing animals is ok as long as you're nice to them, but screwing them is right out? I know its off of the topic at hand, but why again is it wrong? Most animals don't give each other a choice in the wild, and we are constantly purposely force breeding animals, so that arguement is bogus.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not having intercourse with any animals other than myself and my wife.

 

[Ramsey]

i'm sure the dogs hate it when there tied up and taken advantage of...the ones i saw seemed to enjoy it.

 

[goodburbon]

I'm also NOT suggesting that someone run out and impale a chihuahua.

 

[red91]

Your right....


we should trust FEMA over God any day.

That or the welfare system.

I can't wiat until FEMA declares Martial Law due to a major catastophy or something.

THen lets see who bitches the loudeest.

And don't think it can't happen....

 

[dzolcali]

Humping Dumb animals is wrong. They have no say and probably think you're ugly anyway.


As for G-d, it doesnt actually specify Jesus, does it? Couldnt that be left open to your own spiritual interpretation? Unless you are agnostic or athiest.

if I don't believe in god, but i'm not athiest or agnostic, what does that make me? And even still if it's open to interpretation to all but athiest and agnostics it's still in violation...and I think it's funny how people play with wording in cases like this, like "well they didn't specify which god, totally disregarding that god=religion no matter what god it is, it's still affiliated with religion in some way shape or form whether it be mass gatherings at churchs, or humble acceptance of a devine creator it's still in some form or another a religious act to believe in god. And for those that don't being a small few, they have to sorta suffer the consequences for being more enlightened haha j/k but still.:music:

 

[rocklandxjer]

those were the beliefs of our forfathers

this nation was founded on christian beliefs, not jewish, not muslim, not athiest. christian. the christians who founded this nation also believed in freedom of religion, show me any other religious group throughout the world who has established that sort of freedom... not saying "hail christianity", only that the founders of the constitution had the best of intentions.

also take into account the time period it was written in. this was the time of the quakers and the shakers. people who actually did not believe in sex. at all... not even for procreation. religion was the most prevelent part of their lives, so why not include it in their legislation. however no where in the constitution does it impose christianity on anyone. it mearly says "Almighty God" which like stated before refers to any/all Gods you choose to worship.

also take into account that the Americans did not wish to alienate themselves from the rest of the world. all other major nations were still ruled by christian leaders, and influenced by the pope. Had america decided to rule out any religious talk in the constitution, it would have seemed as though they were an athiest nation, and that would NOT have created any allies, which was necessary in their weakened state.