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Differences in rear brake hose?

SuperRoo

NAXJA Forum User
Hi guys,

I recently replaced my leaf springs and while dropping the rear axle I inadverdently split the rubber sheaf on the rear brake hose. Obviously, this is a fail which my garage spotted while testing (the other is emissions but that is for a differnt topic:rolleyes:)

Thinking of my future lift, I've tried numerous places for the Yj 1990-95 rear brake hose option (over here in the UK) -even Jeep - still backorderd after 3weeks!!! they said it was Fiat's fault from moving the chrysler warehouse out of germany to italy, and parts are still being catalogued!

So it looks like i may have to use an XJ hose again - when looking up the parts I see there are 3 different years - 1984-89; 1990-91; 1992-2001
My XJ is a 1988 model (NOT sold in the UK)

My questions are: 1. Is the rear brake hose interchangeable between the years & why are they different?
2. If they are different , then I guess the YJ option would not be suitable for me?

Many thanks in advance
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1988 4.0litre 4WD Auto Laredo (Californian import)
 
you can use a 96-ish Dakota rear hose ... a chevy truck rear hose will also work thye both offer plenty of extra length.
I'm using a 96 dakota hose myself and with 5.5" of rear lift I have plenty of extra length left.
 
I just put the YJ hose in my rear from Morris 4x4 here in Florida yesterday. I got 1 of 3 in stock left. It was a nice Raybestos unit and about 3" (75mm) longer and fine with my 4" lift. This is a part hard to find in the US as no one is producing anymore.
 
Thanks guys for replying. Unfortunately Dakota's are like hen's teeth over the pond

This is a part hard to find in the US as no one is producing anymore.
Well, that explains in part why the YJ hose is next to impossible to find over here.

Since, I need a hose by tomorrow -otherwise, the garage won't pass me, why are there different part numbers for the xj hose? It will probably be easier for me to find a later model hose...but will it fit???:helpme:

Thanks again
 
Well all you really need is a brake line with a clip retained 3/16" SAE fitting at one end and the other (T-block end) will be two 3/16" SAE fittings as well normally the end is retained by the vent hose going through it ... but you can also bend up a bracket off the axle if needs be. Measure the length between the rear line fitting and the axle fittings and add 6" for freeplay and you should hopefully be able to cross reference something at the parts store ... although you may need to use a SAE to Metric adapter and convert to a more common hose there ... look for something from a fullsize truck. Perhaps a Land Rover (or Toyota/Nissan truck) hose with the conversion adapters would work, but if they can get one for a GM truck that should do you fine (that might mean you'd be looking at industrial applications as well).
Perhaps the Rangers (or Mazda after '92) or S-Series were sold in the UK? I'm sure they would have the correct threadings and use the same clip retainer at the frame.
Time to get creative.

a quick google and it looks like the ranger is sold as a commercial vehicle over there? try that angle maybe.
 
Devilfrog -Thank you, something that hadn't occured to me - 'adaptors'!
I don't mind being creative. Use to put Holdens, Falcons & Valiants together like that in the 80's growing up in Australia. Problem is, in the UK no garage or motor factor likes to "stretch" their imagination that far, and you seem to be speaking gibberish to them at the mere thought of 'thinking out of the circle'. Gawd, i was told by fella's at both Jeep & Motor factors to leave well enough alone, when i converted my closed system to open. After lots of research - (thanks NAXJA:wave1:), I tried a piece off of a toyota MR2 (from ebay) because it seemed to have similiar dimensions to what i was looking for - works a treat, matched to a '98 overflow bottle. When I asked for the yj hose not only it being not in stock, but every man and his dog had a negative opinion for the swap. Junk yards are almost non-existant in london and the ones that are don't let you wander around anymore because of the "health & safety" culture in this nanny state:eyes:.
8Mud -Thanks for the link, I'll be driving (hopefully) over to Poland in August, it's always good to know places to 'explore' along the way:yap:
As a side note, was the renix era available 'new' in Germany, back in the day?
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1988 4.0litre 4WD Auto Laredo (Californian import) (in the process of 'de-chroming')
 
There is yet another option: Move the brake hose to the center of the axle, and the stock one should be a decent length.

You will need to replace the brake lines on both the driver and passenger side, and make an extender line from the existing feed to the hose on the drivers side to the center.

Then make a bracket to retain the upper end of the hose.

Use a slightly longer bolt on the center top of the inspection cover on the axle, and bolt the "T" there.
 
That's a thought WB9YZU, but i like to keep things simple...i'm just a simple aussie:sunshine: I've just luckily ordered an 1988 xj hose, should be here in a couple days. This will get me out of a fix now and help me get my ticket (once i sort the emissions-i'll start a new post for that one!) Next week (if all goes well), i'll start to investigate Devilfrog's suggestion of cross referencing etc etc. to get me a lloooonnnnggggggggeeeeeer hose!

Thanks guys for all your help, but as a thought, does anyone know why there are 3 different rear brake hoses for different years?
 
Devilfrog -Thank you, something that hadn't occured to me - 'adaptors'!
I don't mind being creative. Use to put Holdens, Falcons & Valiants together like that in the 80's growing up in Australia. Problem is, in the UK no garage or motor factor likes to "stretch" their imagination that far, and you seem to be speaking gibberish to them at the mere thought of 'thinking out of the circle'. Gawd, i was told by fella's at both Jeep & Motor factors to leave well enough alone, when i converted my closed system to open. After lots of research - (thanks NAXJA:wave1:), I tried a piece off of a toyota MR2 (from ebay) because it seemed to have similiar dimensions to what i was looking for - works a treat, matched to a '98 overflow bottle. When I asked for the yj hose not only it being not in stock, but every man and his dog had a negative opinion for the swap. Junk yards are almost non-existant in london and the ones that are don't let you wander around anymore because of the "health & safety" culture in this nanny state:eyes:.
8Mud -Thanks for the link, I'll be driving (hopefully) over to Poland in August, it's always good to know places to 'explore' along the way:yap:
As a side note, was the renix era available 'new' in Germany, back in the day?
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1988 4.0litre 4WD Auto Laredo (Californian import) (in the process of 'de-chroming')

My wife had one of the first 4.0 XJ's in Germany. It didn't take the Germans long to catch on, XJ's are quick and last. They imported many to Germany, though it has always been kind of a downwards trend since it peaked in the late 80's and early 90's, as gas prices went up. At one time it was the most stolen Vehicle in Germany, most ended up in Russia.

ASP Eberle ships quick (you get it in one, to three days anyplace in Europe), they are international and ship to most anyplace in the world. They have the same supplier as Quadratec (mostly). But are much more customer friendly, don't mind questions and really know their products. They also have a liberal return policy. They are Jeep specialists.

Mikes and Franks, are U.S. auto specialists (with affiliates all over Germany) and usually have the best stuff, Spicer, Bendix all the brand names, basically the same pieces as Eberle but better quality. Their shipping is slower. Prices are about the same.

Goodridge Performance has any adapter or brake line you can possibly imagine, they are wholesalers, but are U.K. based and world wide. If you can find what you want in their extensive cataloge, your local parts place can order it.

Ordering from Germany isn't a big deal, the language barrier is doable. I use the FAX machine a lot and send pictures of what I want.:D
 
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Thanks 8Mud, never thought of Goodridge Performance (actually in my mind -thought they were usa). If you've ever been into a UK motorfactor (autoparts store) you'll know unless something is in your mind to ask for, the counter guys are not going to suggest anyone or an alternative. Businesses here just want it simple - push OEM type replacements and leave it at that. My questions & getting them to 'flick-through' suppliers part books (covered in dust:jester:) seems to be a real bugbear for them.

I was in Oz back in March, had to sort out the old man's Nissen. Dropped into the local Repco (remember the Repco-Brabham F1 team of the 60's?) the guys down there had no problems in cross-referencing while having a yarn, offering suggestions etc. Makes me want to move back home even more!

Don't mind ordering from Germany or someplace else:compwork:. As long as they're a decent company (or person) and don't play games with your order.
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1988 4.0litre 4WD Auto Laredo (Californian import) (in the process of 'de-chroming')
 
A list I started on.

These are all Dorman numbers and I chose this manufactuer for consistency. The products made for other vehicles will not be an exact fit. Look at the Dormans site to ensure what you will be getting will work for you and be safe. I do not work for Dormans.
Front line, End 1, Banjo Fitting (0.0375)(size of hole), End 2, Female - 3/8-24
Rear line, End 1, Junction, (x2) 3/8-24, End 2, Female - 3/8-24


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honestly if you are in no rush now (since you have a stock hose coming) ... hit up ebay or similar and grab a set of front hoses from a YJ and a rear from the Dakota.
I used '92 YJ fronts ($32 for both) and a 96 Dakota rear ($28) both from Raybestos ... that'll cover you to over 6" of lift and will bolt right into current stock locations.

And just so you know ... part guys are parts guys ... unless they get paid well, they don't know squat, nor care enough to find out.
 
And just so you know ... part guys are parts guys ... unless they get paid well, they don't know squat, nor care enough to find out.

offense taken....19+ years of being a "parts guy"

"and just so you know ... parts guys are parts guys ..." if you treat them as your link between what they know and what you need to know, they'll go to the end of the world to help you solve your problem. If you address them with the attitude that you know more than them, they'll give you just enough rope with which to hang yourself-- and enjoy doing it:D
 
There used to be helpful, knowledgeable parts guys/gals here and they were awesome ... even had their own store ... it was my one stop answer place for all my goofy ideas.
Then they bought into the 'big guys' chain, now all we have left here is kids that can't find anything without the picture book ... and I don't get all know it all until I have to point out the part I need in said picture book ... after they say they don't carry it, or can't cross it.

Sorry, Shorty ... didn't mean to dump in your cornflakes.
 
offense taken....19+ years of being a "parts guy"

"and just so you know ... parts guys are parts guys ..." if you treat them as your link between what they know and what you need to know, they'll go to the end of the world to help you solve your problem. If you address them with the attitude that you know more than them, they'll give you just enough rope with which to hang yourself-- and enjoy doing it:D

well said Shorty :cheers:

8+ years at NAPA here. find a good parts store, it will make a world of difference. most places don't require any automotive background to work the counter... my store does, minimum 5 years working experience or current ASE certs. i know the majority of my customers by name because i take good care of them and they know when they come to me I'll find what they need and get it for them.

:wave1:
 
To Shorty & Grimm - nothing personal, just comparing my experience to where I live now and how things have changed in my 15years living here to the place i was brought up in. Personal & KNOWLEDGEABLE service is rare these days.
There is one small chain i go to over here, where there is one guy out of nine that gives you that knowledgeable & personal service - if he isn't around - well no one else seems to bother. There is only one big national chain over here called Halfords. Well they're full of young kids that are only interested in cloths & polish. God help you if you need a new radiator or a battery -
True story, couple years ago I needed a new battery for the jeep, the catalogue in the battery aisle said 'ask at parts desk'. I asked, the girl said to me "if it's not on the shelf we don't have it", I mentioned what their battery catalogue stated, she ummed and erred, eventually getting a guy over, who then literally tapped the keyboard and said it'll be £150 and take 5days to come in.
Now I maybe slow at times but there is no way that guy entered any details into that computer. My other car is a jag and I know although the battery terminals are on opposite sides a jaguar battery does fit in my jeep. So i walked out of that store with a heavy duty battery for a V12 jag for £70. And you know what the guy said as I left "it'll never work and it'll probably blow up your car!!!" ...The sad thing is, he probably believes that...
 
I've met my fair share of people who don't belong behind the counter don't get me wrong - I had an oil pressure switch go out on the road one day and stopped into the local auto zone to get a replacement. It took two different morons plus the manager to finally figure out what I was asking for, the whole time with them telling my my vehicle doesn't have one and asking if its something that goes in the transmission :rolleyes: I ended up pulling the old one out in the parking lot and bringing it in, to which the manager said "OOOHHHH i seen those before" :doh:


we're not all idiots, just FYI. as shorty said give the guy behind the counter a chance, if he is an idiot by all means call him out on it - but don't walk in assuming he is and treat him as such because you will get a lot less service from him.

:cheers:
 
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