chinese "QUALITY"

[BRIANHO13]

Well I am working on a hp44 9" swap in my xj.

Going through the front end replacing whatever needs replaced. Took the fornt rotors to NAPA to have them turned, they were out of spec so I decided to go new. Turns out NAPA had the rotors for 35 or the rotors with hub, new bearing races, and studs for 41, no brainer right? well I get the first one installed and go to put the hub inners in, they don't fit and when persuaded into place the outter hub split. Took it back to NAPA and exchanged it for a new one. Checked to see if the hub fit prior to installing this time, nope. Then I checked the other one that I had bought the same time as I bought the first one, everything fit fine.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO: The good one was made in the good old USA, the other two you guessed it CHINA. So now I have to persuade NAPA to look at all the boxes on thier shelf for one made in the USA.

RANT OFF.

Thanks for listening.

 

[OT]

The little guys were never accused of making American parts the way Americans do. atriot:

 

[woody]

The little guys were never accused of making American parts the way Americans do. atriot:

Yeah but they mix up some cool fireworks!!!

 

[Warrior OffRoad]

The Chineese are excellent at making knock-offs of other's ideas. However the level of workmanship, materials, quality will never compare to what comes from an American factory. Keep this in mind if you think a Mile Marker winch is a good deal because of the low price.

 

[casm]

The Chineese are excellent at making knock-offs of other's ideas. However the level of workmanship, materials, quality will never compare to what comes from an American factory. Keep this in mind if you think a Mile Marker winch is a good deal because of the low price.

Or XJ brake discs. I will *NEVER* make that mistake again; an extra $20 per corner for ones that don't warp after a half-dozen water crossings is money well spent in my book.

 

[RichP]

The little guys were never accused of making American parts the way Americans do. atriot:

Well, when your a political prisoner and being forced to work for norinco what would you do, make quality stuff or sabotage everything you could but not enough to get shot for....

 

[Gil BullyKatz]

Their AK knockoff's aren't too bad...

Course it's mainly stamped sheet metal...

 

[casm]

Their AK knockoff's aren't too bad...

Course it's mainly stamped sheet metal...

I'll take Czech or Russian for those, though. Apparently there've been some Angolan-made ones floating around; my understanding is that they were made from worn-out Chinese patterns and from the noises they make when you shake them they make excellent toys for infants

 

[Wayne Sihler]

Well I am working on a hp44 9" swap in my xj.

Going through the front end replacing whatever needs replaced. Took the fornt rotors to NAPA to have them turned, they were out of spec so I decided to go new. Turns out NAPA had the rotors for 35 or the rotors with hub, new bearing races, and studs for 41, no brainer right? well I get the first one installed and go to put the hub inners in, they don't fit and when persuaded into place the outter hub split. Took it back to NAPA and exchanged it for a new one. Checked to see if the hub fit prior to installing this time, nope. Then I checked the other one that I had bought the same time as I bought the first one, everything fit fine.

THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO: The good one was made in the good old USA, the other two you guessed it CHINA. So now I have to persuade NAPA to look at all the boxes on thier shelf for one made in the USA.

RANT OFF.

Thanks for listening.

My friend,who ownes a NAPA/AC-delco affillated(sp) garage was showing me a box of new AC-Delco ceramic brake pads-Look"made in China" right on the box.He got on the phone right then looking for a supplier of "made in USA" brake parts.
Wayne

 

[Highlander]

I do like the Norinco ammo too!!!!! Got one of the "sportster" model rifles.... Love it!!!!

Not comparible to my other czech rifle though for accuracy.

 

[hackedxj]

Looks strange to see the word China next to the word Quality.

 

[Root Moose]

New TLA:

MCC := More Chinese Crap

Deming is rolling in his grave.

 

[Pat]

any napa rotor made in usa or canada will be a 5 digit number. if it is made somewhere else it will start with 488 in the beginning of the part number.

make sure they didn't rip you off and sell you one expensive and one cheap for the more expensive price.

 

[BRIANHO13]

any napa rotor made in usa or canada will be a 5 digit number. if it is made somewhere else it will start with 488 in the beginning of the part number.

make sure they didn't rip you off and sell you one expensive and one cheap for the more expensive price.

Both part numbers start with the 488, numbers match exactly, one box is stamped "made in USA" other 2 bad ones stamped "made in China".

 

[johnnyc]

The Chineese are excellent at making knock-offs of other's ideas. However the level of workmanship, materials, quality will never compare to what comes from an American factory. Keep this in mind if you think a Mile Marker winch is a good deal because of the low price.

Better check to see where your iPods, computers, cameras, and big screen TVs were made.

 

[OT]

Better check to see where your iPods, computers, cameras, and big screen TVs were made.

Can't argue with that...

 

[casm]

Can't argue with that...

I take the point being made, but every device mentioned (iPods, computers, cameras, and big screen TVs) prior to OT's post are now considered consumables - you upgrade them after two years or suffer being left behind with old, substandard toys. People are really surprised that my iPod is an 15-month-old unit; according to them, it either should've died long ago, or been replaced with a 'better' model. Funny, it still plays MP3s.

This also means that the idea of any of the above remaining 'consumer durables' is pretty much extant. My 1996-era Magnavox 27" CRT TV may not have the resolution of a current DLP model, but it still plays movies back pretty damned well. I only hope that when I upgrade (since it looks like we're all going to be required to come February 17, 2009) I'm not going to have to buy a new TV every three years to keep up with ever more imperceptible improvements in TV 'technology' and content protection mechanisms.

 

[Warrior OffRoad]

Better check to see where your iPods, computers, cameras, and big screen TVs were made.

Japan, Taiwan, Germany.

You get what you pay for. If it is something I plan on keeping a while I'll pay the extra $$$$.

 

[XJ Dreamin']

My wife: "Hey! This is cheap."
Me: "It's made in China."

One month later:

My Wife: "Why did this break?"
Me: It's made in China."

Three factors at work here.

1) The US consumer is willing to buy anything, as long as it's cheap.
2) , While the Chinese are capable of quality work, traditionally the Chinese craftsman is not responsible for quality. The client placing the order bears that responsibility. If the client orders crap, the craftsman makes crap and the karma belongs to the client.
3) With corporate China getting into the act, most of the new workers are unskilled corvee or indentured labor: i.e. convicts; children sold into corporate slavery; displaced, pauperized rural populations; etc.

I avoid buying from China when possible, although now days it's not always possible. However, when ranting about 'Made in China' put equal blame on the client ordering the crap, on the manufacturer of the crap, on the distributor (if not the same as the former) of the crap, and the retailer of the crap.

 

[Warrior OffRoad]

I avoid buying from China when possible, although now days it's not always possible. However, when ranting about 'Made in China' put equal blame on the client ordering the crap, on the manufacturer of the crap, on the distributor (if not the same as the former) of the crap, and the retailer of the crap.

Hmmm. That would be Wal-Mart. Is anyone old enough to remember when Sam Walton ran the company? His sales pitch was "Made in the USA". He bought from US companies whenever he could. Since he left Wal-Mart it has been "Made in China". Wal-Mart, not the US, is china's largest trading partner.