YA SO,, THIS HOLE CONVERSATION STARTED AT WORK THE OTHER DAY... I HAVE BEEN TO THE RUBICON MORE TIMES THEN I CAN COUNT.. AND I HAVE BEEN TO MOAB DURING ONE OF ITS MOST BUSY TIMES>>>> I LIKE MOAB BUT IT WAS HOT, DUSTY, DIRTY AND IT HAD NO SPOTS TO HIDE FROM ANY OF THOSE ELMENTS THAT MINT U WERE...