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Old January 18th, 2019, 17:04
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Re: Project: Keeping It Clean

And then, finally yesterday I got some 265/75R16 Duratracs I've had around mounted up...love it.


You'll like that set-up, been with the same combo about 6yrs now and never changing. Did you get the "C's" over the "D's" ?
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Old January 18th, 2019, 21:18
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@Freerider - Really cool winch you've got there. Looking forward to seeing how you do the front bumper. I have the early body style, also dark blue, that I am restoring. Curious how this winch would work with my stock bumper and whether it could be done neat and clean.
The Boostwerks mount has been done with a stock front bumper and looks like it works great. I know there's pictures of the setup either on here () or on Cherokee forum.

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I just finished up a similar (though not quite as intensive) sound deadening job my Jeep, and it was a notable improvement. I went from ~74 decibels in the cab to ~65 at highway speeds. That's just a sound meter on my phone, so who knows how accurate it was, but still a pretty good gauge of how much quieter it is. I wouldn't be surprised if yours was even better
Yeah, I need to get around to that. Just working on a few things here and there before I do. I know my 7.3L Superduty is ~75...at idle

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I did to. Wish I had run a before and after test like you but for me it was more a while we are here thing for me. Really just a turn up the radio kind of guy.
Yeah, wouldn't have been able to really do a before, given it's state. But I do have some to compare to. It's a little drony/vibrationy at low RPM, but that might be my muffler being a little too close, and so things still needing gone through. Though really, not enough to where I still am not perfectly fine with it.

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freerider

I'm actually tearing down my interior this spring for the same reasons, full interior resto, new a/c sound and heat insulation with new carpet, new headliner etc. I'm really interested in your feedback on how everything turned out! Anything you would change?
Offhand, I would use something a little less dense and more "springy" for the foam I used on the heater core and other areas. It was a little too dense and had to be shaved here and there. As well, it made getting the dash back in a little harder. Something in between the OEM (very open cell) and what I used, would be ideal.

Offhand other than that, can't say I'd change anything...yet.

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Are you planning on using the Boostwerks relocation bracket to mount your winch contactor/solenoid under the hood? If so, what are you doing for your coolant tank relocation?

I've used a Dorman tank and relocated in front of my brake booster.
Actually just got back from Bryson's shop as I type this (got a set of sway bar relocation brackets). I might, but since my solenoid has the plug coming out of the top, it could be an issue with the hood. Once I get the front Dirtbound DIY bumper welded up and on, I'll look at how to flow it all together to make it as easy and clean as possible.

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XJ is a lot nicer than mine, that's for sure. Maybe after the move and buggy build I'll go through the XJ like you did. I kind of doubt it though, you've got more patience than me by far. Great work.
Eh, if it didn't start clean, wouldn't have put this much effort into it.

Honestly, between it and the buggy, it's been...stretching thin...at times to try to keep the level of effort and detail up on this. Luckily it's done and I'm driving it around now. Still have a list of things to work out (rear wiper doesn't work, windows aren't all working, etc.). But, I'm currently now working on getting the D60 tubes welded and the axle stripped and blasted and prepped for C's

Once the buggy is back on all fours, I'll likely move pretty quick on the 8.8 at least. These stock gears and 265's aren't the greatest

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And then, finally yesterday I got some 265/75R16 Duratracs I've had around mounted up...love it. You'll like that set-up, been with the same combo about 6yrs now and never changing. Did you get the "C's" over the "D's" ?
I've always been a fan of the Duratracs. Couple that with the fact that I got them for a great deal from a good friend (in4aride) made it that much easier to go with them.

If I remember right, they're load range C. I'd have to double check.
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Old January 19th, 2019, 03:18
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Yeah, wouldn't have been able to really do a before, given it's state. But I do have some to compare to. It's a little drony/vibrationy at low RPM, but that might be my muffler being a little too close, and so things still needing gone through. Though really, not enough to where I still am not perfectly fine with it.
I want to say what I did made a difference. Could be imagining things though. One thing imagined or real is that I seem to hear more of my music. If that makes sense. With a stock system.
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Old February 17th, 2019, 22:26
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Re: Project: Keeping It Clean

So, since I've been waiting on some parts for the buggy to arrive, I decided to jump back on this for a few.

To start it off, a Tomken Gas Tank skid plate. Now, I'll be 100% transparent here, I won this at a raffle.

The Tomken skid wouldn't have been my *first* choice, but never the less, it should do the job just fine. The skid itself is 1/8", so a little lighter duty than others. It uses a different mounting setup, which in my case, made life much much easier. The Tomken skid mounts with 4 bolts on the rear crossmember, and to the threaded tank studs in the rear.

One thing that I had planned on doing to this since I got it, was adding some skid material to the bottom. What did I choose? UHMW of course . I've still got a good portion of the sheet I used for the buggy left, so the Tank Skid gets the same treatment.

Why add UHMW?

Well, its adds some rigidity to the slightly thinner material. But, more over, it slides a hell of a lot better than steel, and absorbs impacts a little better.

The first thing I did was get to removing the packing tape that seemingly didn't want to come off, as well as the Tomken sticker (sorry, not a sticker/logo kind of person).

I got the UHMW cut, edge routered, and a slit routered to allow it to sit on the tank and make the contour. Once it was set, I got to drilling and used rivet nuts for keeping the skid in place (a big thank you to my buddy Sam (zluster) for letting me borrow his rivet nut tool):



Got them all in:



And, since I know it will be asked...no, I'm not remotely worried about the rivet nuts and tank puncture. The skid has room, and the roundness of the tank make it so if they did touch, I'd likely need to replace my tank anyhow...since the skid would be crushed.

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Old February 17th, 2019, 22:32
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Re: Project: Keeping It Clean

So, not really a rant, but something I'll cover...since it's always a sticking point.

One area that I'll point out where I like to go a bit above and beyond, is hardware fitment.

What do I mean? Well let me show ya!

Case 1.

The hardware supplied by Tomken was 5/16" for where it bolts to the rear crossmember.

Here's how that looks:



Hotdog down a hallway anyone? They did provide washers that would hold, and I'm sure it all would work just fine.

Here's the same 5/16" bolt, on their own skid:



Still too much play for me.

Want to know what was REAL close to fitting? 1/2".

1/2" filled the frame side hole...a bit better:



With about 2 minutes with a drill, 1/2" fit on the skid. Overkill? Fukk yeah...but it fits a hell of a lot better!
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Old February 17th, 2019, 22:36
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Case 2.

I'm not sure how everyone else buys their hardware, but washers have ALWAYS been something that have made me wonder. As an engineer, loose...is bad.

Why what do I mean?

Let's have a look! Below we have two 1/2" bolts. On the right, we have a 1/2" washer. See anything odd? Yeah, not really a tight fit. How about that washer on the left? That's a 7/16" washer....fits great. So me, I buy all my washers under size since they fit far better.



Most vendors supply hardware with the corresponding sizes. 110% nothing against them, it makes life easy. Me however...nope...I like a close tolerance fit.
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Old February 17th, 2019, 22:39
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So, back to the skid.

A view from the tank side:



And finally...installed:



(today, just as the snow started to fall: )



Overall, pretty easy install. And instead of four Grade 5, 5/16" bolts holding it on the rear...I have four Grade 8, 1/2" bolts.

Boo ya.
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Old February 17th, 2019, 22:55
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So the next step, was kind of dual fold.

I have a Dirtbound DIY rear bumper, that has the incorporated frame nut mounts. In company with that, I have a HD Offroad Shackle hanger kit, which uses those same holes.

So, I went ahead and got the bumper tacked together and put aside for some additional work later. I got the frame mounts test fitted, and burned together. This way, the HD Offroad Shackle hangers can be installed, and the bumper bolted on later when it gets finished.

So, we'll go through the install of a set of HD Offroad Shackle Hangers.

I traded Brian some LED stuff for these, and have been looking forward to getting them installed. Funnily enough, I was probably one of the first to have made a bolt in shackle hanger box (with the help of a former member, CagedXJ)...somewhere around 15 years ago now. I got flooded with people asking me to build them a set...but being a high schooler getting ready to head off to college...not happening.

You can kinda almost see them in this picture



Never the less, I'm glad someone finally stepped up to the plate and made a killer product like Brian does, that works well and is proven. I wouldn't hesitate to recommend anyone order a set.

So, I got off to assembling things...

First, the bumper frame mounts.

Some burn in:



Hey, not too shabby...



And then some Self Etching Primer, followed by Rustoleum Hammered:


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Old February 17th, 2019, 23:36
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So, after fitting up the hangers, threw some weld on them.



Though not required, I like them being 100% in place. Though not pictured, I also added more weld to the 1/2" bolt heads, since I planned on torquing these down to spec.

So, the only gripe I'd say I remotely had with the HD Offroad setup, was the shackle bolt holes. Now, for 99% of people, they probably don't care and it will work just fine. But, me being anal retentive, just couldn't let it sit.

The bolt holes on the piece that bolts up, were a bit large for an OEM sized bolt, as well as the bolt size provided. I noticed they we're very very close to 5/8", and with just...and a mean just...a touch of a 5/8" bit...they were there.

5/8" bolt on the right, bolt (near OEM size) on the left:



Well, obviously the stock shackle hanger bushing sleeves aren't 5/8"...so what about those?

Well, I just so happened to have some 3/4" OD, 1/2" ID tubing laying around. A quick drill out to 5/8" and I had my own bushing sleeves.



Lathe would have been real nice to have there...

The old bushing sleeves on the shackles, actually ended up in the lead springs. I had to cut one bolt out in order to get on of the shackles free. The bolt had seized to the sleeve...fun stuff.

So, this is how far the shackle can go up during uptravel...rather limited.





So, with a few cuts and cleanup (didn't cut away more in order to retain structural integrity), we have a much better range achieved:



Next was a bit of work, before install could start to begin the next day or two.

Small things I can't let go, tend to add to my project time. I didn't like the condition the shackles were in (dirty and small areas of powdercoat missing)...so I completely disassembled the shackles and:

- cleaned all the grease off of them
- gave them a quick sandblast in a few areas
- gave them a fresh coat of paint
- installed new grease zerks
- cleaned the bushing thoroughly and gave them a new freshening of grease

Hell, even the bolts going back on all got run through a tap, wire wheeled, and a coat of paint:



So then finally came the install today. First thing was to clean out the previous owners overzealousness with grease from where the hangers would install. So there went 20 minutes with some rags and mineral spirits cleaning out the hangers.

You'll note in the following picture, that the holes that the hangers bolt up into, are all over sized (for good reason to accommodate the variability in the frame). So, I went ahead and used thick washers, since the 1/2" bolt heads would actually be capable of being pulled into the holes themselves.

The hardware supplied with the Dirtbound bumper for these was all Grade 5. Perfectly fine, but I'm not one for...variety in that accord. I like it all Grade 8...because...well because I can .



Bumper mounts / Shackle hole mounts on (yeah, they've got some weld spatter, but since they'll be hidden...and I don't get as much time in the shop as I used to, I said fukk it):





The hardware for the 4 rear frame holes on the bumper / shackle mounts was replaced with some Grade 10.9 (metric) bolts. Ran a tap through all the holes to make life easier. No way was I going to re-use the stock crusty stuff.

All of the 1/2" bolts for the bumper/shackle hanger (other than the front most), got torqued to spec (~107 ft. lbs.). They aren't going...anywhere.

I was (unsurprisingly) running into an issue with the exhaust. The rear kink towards the passenger side would hit the bolt, and if I moved it any more to the drivers, it would hit the tank skid.





So, the exhaust got pulled, and a little snip snip:



A little flap disc and high temp paint, and it's like it never happened:



Took me longer to swap the wire out than to get that done...damn .024" wire that wants to poof the moment it slips from your grip...

I did add a 1/2" UHMW spacer to the exhaust hanger, to help keep the muffler out of the floor. But, bolted back in, and clearance for days! Install complete!





Nice 45* shackle angle:







A few last notes, since I myself like follow and details on anything others might think of.

Some might notice, I don't use a whole lot of regular nuts. I like stover nuts personally (metal deforming lock nuts). The chance of them coming loose is far less, and makes me feel a bit better. I use them all over on the buggy, since a worked loose bolt on that, could make for a VERY bad and possibly rather expensive day.

As well, in the case of the shackles, I don't need to wrench it down so tight. When you really torque those down, it doesn't allow for as much flex in the bushings as they need, and somewhat puts undue stress on them. I tighten until snug, then go maybe another turn after.

With bolts going into bushing sleeves, a little anti-seize is your friend. Some went on each bolt going into a sleeve, as well as the existing frame pocket bolt that loves to seize to the nut in the frame, and make life a PITA.
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Old February 17th, 2019, 23:39
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So, now that parts have begun to land for the buggy...other than getting the front driveshaft completely gone through and installed, it will get driven and used until the buggy is back on all 4!
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this is awesome. good work!!!!!! love the attention to detail. its rare now a days with builds.
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I demand updates.
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I demand updates.


I suppose I could.
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Overall...I've been mainly just driving the rig, enjoying (for the most part) being back in an XJ.

The last "big" thing I did was deal with the sh*tty OEM crossmember nuts.

I had been getting a creaking on the frame "area" when braking...and that shouldn't be happening given 2/3 of the rig has frame stiffeners.

I know the BDS crossmember wasn't 100% bolted in (3 OEM bolts, additional 4th not in).

So I finally rolled it into the shop and took a look. The passenger side of the crossmember where it bolts the the frame, I could see light through where it should be pressed up against the underside. Needless to say, one of the bolts wouldn't fully tighten, and the other were the (for aftermarket use) undersized OEM bolts.

So...I set off to jump them up to 1/2" bolts. Holy hell would that end up being a pain.

The drivers side was a nightmare.

Original plans were to drill the existing nuts out, and tap them to 1/2".

Well, the driver's side killed nearly a dozen drill bits, and one 1/2" tap trying to do so.

For reference, that area and those nuts are a BIT more beefy than I gave them credit for.

So, I ended up cutting out the entire section, and grafting in a piece of 1/4" steel with 1/2" buts welded to it. That itself ended up being nearly a days worth of work after cutting, making the new piece, grinding, flap discing, etc. to make it look as OEM as possible.

Passenger side, ironically went without a hitch, and all were drilled out and tapped within about an hour.

Got everything back bolted up (was real nice to be able to really torque down the crossmember), and took her for a drive.

No more squeaking! Also just felt better overall, and a little more solid while driving.

PITA to get done, but well worth it

Not much in the way of pictures on that one.
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Old July 9th, 2019, 07:44
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So, after having gone through...a lot...of work when putting it together, getting things cleaned and cleanly routed...

The AL radiator in it sprung a leak.

I kept noticing a coolant smell after getting out from driving, and couldn't find the leak (was very small), until one day I heard a hissing sound. Looks like it was leaking from somewhere where the fins meet the core.

Likely easily fixable with some brazing/soldering...but I just didn't feel like screwing with it.

So, I picked up a Spectra off Amazon.

Sure, while it's not a Mopar, or fancy Mishimoto...didn't feel like spending a bunch of money and have had luck with parts store level radiators in the past. Worst case, I warranty it after a couple years, and maybe step up then.

My main worry was that I had AN fittings connected to the existing radiator, and how that was going to play out with the Spectra, and how I might have to change things up.

Well, glad to say...Spectra seems to have changed things up some!

The fittings for the trans cooler are now removable:



As such, I was easily able to order some adapters to AN, and make my life even easier than it was with the previous radiator.

I will note, I decided to 100% flush my system again. If it were a bit easier to add a coolant filtration system, I would do it in a heartbeat (likely saving it for a later time). The flush itself took me most of the time, flushing through probably 40-50 gallons (used and in line flush kit, and rigged up my own radiator cap with barb fitting to make it quick, easy, and clean).

Then, got the radiator slapped in and connected back up, and hoses cinched back down:

20190608_170707 (1) by offroadingjeeper, on Flickr

Note: I really need to get rid of the dang worm clamps. I have TONS of nice stainless t-bolt style clamps I bought for the buggy I should really swap out for.

Hose gets close, but still plenty enough room that I'm not worried by either the fan or what will be synthetic rope:

20190608_170701 by offroadingjeeper, on Flickr

Also throw on a new 16 lb. radiator cap with locking level handle thing.

Overall, the rig runs even a little bit cooler than before.

Did that swap a few months ago, and it's been good so far. I am getting a very light *hint* of coolant smell, but not seeing anything coming out anywhere. Might throw some dye in at some point and see if there is a minuscule leak somewhere in the system.
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