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How stupid are we, Americans? Time to clean the House and Senate

XJEEPER

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Joe Wilson was right in more ways than one.....in fact, I recall Pelosi getting all bent when he called out Obama, perhaps she actually thought he was talking to her?

They're getting so bold, they aren't even trying to cover up their lies. Do they think no one is watching or listening?
Pelosi Breaks Pledge to Put Final Health Care Bill Online for 72 Hours Before Vote

Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office tells THE WEEKLY STANDARD that the speaker will not allow the final language of the health care to be posted online for 72 hours before bringing the bill to a vote on the House floor, despite her September 24 statement that she was "absolutely" committed to doing so.
House members are still negotiating important issues in the bill--whether it will provide taxpayer-funding for abortions, for example. Pelosi is pushing for a Saturday House vote, and a number of big changes will be introduced, likely less than 24 hours before the vote takes place (if in fact it does). The Rules Committee hasn't yet released its resolution, or rule, that must be passed before the bill can move from committee to the floor. The rule will set the terms of debate and determine what amendments are in order.
It seems likely that the rule will allow very few, if any, up-or-down votes on amendments on the House floor. Rather, the rule will include a series of amendments that will all be adopted at once if the rule passes.

On September 24, Speaker Nancy Pelosi told THE WEEKLY STANDARD that she was "absolutely" committed to putting the text of the final House bill online for 72 hours before the House votes:

TWS: Madam Speaker, do you support the measure to put the final House bill online for 72 hours before it's voted on at the very end?
PELOSI: Absolutely. Without question.
But tonight, when asked if Speaker Pelosi will leave the bill online for 72 hours after we see what's in the rule, Pelosi spokesman Brendan Daly replied in an email: "No; [the] pledge was to have manager’s amendment online for 72 hours, and we will do that."
Apparently Pelosi's agreement to leave the "final" bill online "at the very end" of the process wasn't such a straightforward pledge.




THREE REASONS OFFICIALS OPPOSE “READ THE BILL” REFORM:



1. ‘We don’t do things that way.’ Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT), addressing attempts by Republicans on the Senate Finance Committee to ensure lawmakers and the public have 72 hours to review health care legislation: “We have never, ever, ever, ever done that in this committee.” (Politico, 9/24/09)

2. ‘Saying we can’t change the bill at the last minute means we can’t, you know, actually change the bill at the last minute.’ “What if only one short word or amendment is made?” Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) asked last week. “It’s one thing initially for a bill to have a long time, but if you come out of a conference and they don’t change anything then, you don’t need 72 hours.” (The Hill, 10/2/09)

3. ‘Nobody actually reads the bills.’ This rates as the most common reason. For instance, Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) said last month during a Senate Finance Committee hearing, “I mean, let’s be honest about it. The legislative language, everybody knows, is relatively arcane, legalistic, and most people don’t read the legislative language.” Sen. Tom Carper (D-DE) recently added: “I don’t expect to actually read the legislative language because reading the legislative language is among the more confusing things I’ve ever read in my life. … It’s just anyone who says that they can do that and actually get much out of it is trying to pull the wool over our eyes.” (Politico, 9/23/09; New York Post, 10/4/09)

THREE REASONS AMERICANS SUPPORT “READ THE BILL” REFORM:

1. “Stimulus bill a sorry spectacle. What a joke. Your Congress has voted to spend almost $790 billion of your money on a stimulus package that not a single member of either chamber has read. The 1,073-page document wasn’t posted on the government’s website until after 10 p.m. the day before the vote to pass it was taken.” (Jack Cafferty, [URL="http://cnn.com/"]CNN.com…, 2/17/09[/URL])

2. “Energy bill a travesty containing who knows what. The cap-and-trade bill passed the House of Representatives shrouded in a fog of willful ignorance and calculated irrationality. No one could be sure what he was voting for — not after a 300-page amendment added at 3:09 a.m. the day of its passage. The bill is so complex and jerry-built that even its supporters can’t know how, or if, it will work. And it’s impossible for someone to know whether the motivating crisis, impending planetary doom, will ever materialize.” (Rich Lowry, Salt Lake Tribune, 6/30/09)

3. Organizational Chart of the House Democrats’ Health Plan, which depicts the bureaucratic nightmare that is the House Democrats’ costly government-run health care proposal. The chart was produced by Rep. Kevin Brady (R-TX) and the Republican staff of the Joint Economic Committee (JEC).

Does anyone in Washington really care anymore, or is it part of their plan to destroy our Republic?

“Recently, in testimony before the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, TARP Special Inspector General Neil Barofsky outlined how the lack of specific regulations and controls allowed TARP to morph into something that was neither disclosed nor conveyed in any way to the taxpayers of America. Indeed, Barofsky admitted that the original framework for TARP was quickly shelved and that “the U.S. Department of the Treasury was created 12 separate programs involving Government and private funds of up to almost $3 trillion.” This sum is over four times the original advertised price tag of $700 billion. As if the $3 trillion figure was not shocking enough, Barofsky went on to testify that “TARP has evolved into a program of unprecedented scope, scale, and complexity” and that “total potential federal government support could reach up to $23.7 trillion”.”
 
I've been trying to get that very thing done for the last 20 years - "Spirit of '76 - Re-elect Nobody!" I've been trying to talk people into it.

And no-one is listening. Maybe this will be the shake-up needed to make it happen, I don't know. Several years ago, I read a line from someone (don't recall who,) "America is at that difficult stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to just shoot the bastards."

The Second American Revolution is damned sure going to have an economic trigger. I'm fairly sure we're there in potential (if not, we're damned close!) but I don't know how the SAR will play out yet...
 
I just got back from the protest at the capital, listened to most of the republicans speak in addition to Cliff from Cheers. After the protest we went an visited out 'representatives', in my case Paul Kanjorksi, what a flucking assholet that tool is. he has a bad case of azzhimers. He actually blew up when questioned on several portions of the bill and had the nads that it was 'his decision', not ours. These are the fracking lunatics we have in DC. I'm tired and going to bed.
 
I just got back from the protest at the capital, listened to most of the republicans speak in addition to Cliff from Cheers. After the protest we went an visited out 'representatives', in my case Paul Kanjorksi, what a flucking assholet that tool is. he has a bad case of azzhimers. He actually blew up when questioned on several portions of the bill and had the nads that it was 'his decision', not ours. These are the fracking lunatics we have in DC. I'm tired and going to bed.

Yah - but it's "our decision" whether or not these arseholes have jobs after 2010. I'd like to think they won't (they sure as Hell won't if I have anything to say about it!) but people are getting awfully stupid over the last couple of decades.

It's fairly obvious that some 85-90% of the populace would not be able to survive by their wits alone. I've long thought that a good course in survival somewhere around middle school - with a mandatory practical final examination lasting at least a fortnight - would work wonders for the mean intelligence of the public...
 
Rich,
Thanks for providing the proof for the need for term limits and a general enema.

There is little difference in parties as I see it, and very few in Washington worth keeping. I'm not a supporter of Dem or Rep, I'm a supporter of the individual the performs as hired.

I happen to have a good Representative, Rob Bishop, http://www.ontheissues.org/House/Rob_Bishop.htm in my district, who I've met with face to face and expressed my views on the issues that are important to me. I feel he is doing the job I hired him for and is doing a pretty good job.

Jason Chaffetz is a new face in the Senate from Utah. His no BS approach is refreshing and the kind of individual that we need more of. Here's some short vids of him digging into the Pelosi Healthcare Tax Monster Bill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQGNQUVKKHg&feature=player_embedded#

Uncovering Acorn
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuHlAbZalxM&feature=channel


Orrin Hatch and Robert Bennett need to go.

Who from your State needs to be fired? They all need to be treated like the employee who embezzles money and Freedom from you, their Employer.

Zero tolerance, termination with no chance of re-hire. They need to know that their annual review is here and there will be severe consequences for non-performance.

Wonder why so many of our elected officials are against Capitolism? Because Capitolism rewards those that excel and outperform in their role, and penalizes those that don't. Socialism keeps them in power and rewards mediocrity.
 
It's fairly obvious that some 85-90% of the populace would not be able to survive by their wits alone. I've long thought that a good course in survival somewhere around middle school - with a mandatory practical final examination lasting at least a fortnight - would work wonders for the mean intelligence of the public...[/QUOTE]
my kids have all had survival training, and could probably survive in the woods by 13 by themsleves. became a citizen last year and it is time to clean house.
 
my kids have all had survival training, and could probably survive in the woods by 13 by themsleves. became a citizen last year and it is time to clean house.

As did I - I happened to have two uncles who did multiple tours in the Big Asian Vacation as LRRP - and I wanted them to run me through survival training.

Their final? They dropped me naked in the woods with a map for where to find them in two weeks' time, and I needed to figure out where I was first. They taught me well. Frankly, I enjoyed the course.

(And it made AF survival training like a camping trip - I actually managed to gain weight while out on the practical!)

@RNMedic - I'm sure you told us before, but my CRS is flaring up. Where were you from, originally? Are you now a dual citizen, or strictly American? Just curious...
 
  • Seventy-two percent (72%) of voters nationwide say passage of the proposed health care plan could lead companies to drop private health insurance coverage for their employees.
  • Forty-eight percent (48%) say it's very likely. (53%) say it would be bad for employees if they were shifted from private insurance to a government option.
  • Just 25% think it would be good.
The majority of Americans OPPOSE the Healthcare plan and believe it will be bad for our Country, yet the House majority voted in favor of it yesterday.

Wake up Americans......this is Socialism.
 
@RNMedic - I'm sure you told us before, but my CRS is flaring up. Where were you from, originally? Are you now a dual citizen, or strictly American? Just curious...
Dual National UK, (Scotland) and US
 
Blog by Palin on her Facebook account.

Sarah Palin said:
We’ve got to hold on to hope, and we’ve got to fight hard because Congressional action tonight just put America on a path toward an unrecognizable country.

The same government leaders that got us into the mortgage business and the car business are now getting us into the health care business.

Despite Americans’ decisive message last Tuesday that they reject the troubling path this country has been taking, Speaker Pelosi has broken her own promises of transparency to ram a health “care” bill through the House of Representatives just before midnight. Why did she push the 2,000 page bill this weekend? Was she perhaps afraid to give her peers and the constituents for whom she works the chance to actually read this monstrous bill carefully, if at all? Was she concerned that Americans might really digest the details of a bill that the Wall Street Journal has called “the worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced”?

This out-of-control bureaucratic mess will be disastrous for our economy, our small businesses, and our personal liberty. It will slam businesses at a time when we are at double-digit unemployment rates – the highest we’ve seen in a quarter of a century. This massive new bureaucracy will cost us and our children money we don’t have. It will rob Americans of more of our freedom and further hamper the free market.

Make no mistake: we’re on course to have government commandeer one-sixth of our economy. The people who gave us Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac now want to run our health care. Think about that.

All of us who value the sanctity of life are grateful for the success of the pro-life majority in the House this evening in its battle against federal funding of abortion in this bill, but it’s ironic because we were promised that abortion wasn’t covered in the bill to begin with. Our healthy distrust of these government leaders made us look deeper into the bill because unfortunately we knew better than to trust what they were saying. The victory tonight to amend the bill and eliminate that federal funding for abortion was great – because abortion is not health care. Now we can only hope that Rep. Stupak’s amendment will hold in the final bill, though the Democratic leadership has already refused to promise that it won’t be scrapped later.

We had been told there were no “death panels” in the bill either. But look closely at the provision mandating bureaucratic panels that will be calling the shots regarding who will receive government health care.

Look closely at provisions addressing illegal aliens’ health care coverage too.

Those of us who love freedom and believe in open and transparent government can only be dismayed by midnight action on a Saturday. Speaker Pelosi’s promise that Americans would have 72 hours to read the final bill before the vote was just another one of the D.C. establishment’s too-common political ploys. It’s broken promises like this that turn people off to politics and leave them disillusioned about the future of their country.

But despite this late-night maneuvering, many of us were paying close attention tonight. We’ll keep paying close attention. We need to let our legislators in Washington know that they still represent us, and that the majority of Americans are not in favor of the “reform” they are pushing. After all, this is still a country “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” We will make our voices heard. It’s on to the Senate now. Our legislators can listen now, or they can hear us in 2010. It’s their choice.

- Sarah Palin
 
Barney Frank

He played a major role in setting policy that trashed our economy when Freddie and Fannie tanked. He called for a moritorium on bonuses last year.......but look what's happening this year?

Companies that were bailed out with the tax dollar of WE THE PEOPLE, of which our Will was ignored, are now going to pay our $30,000,000,000 (that's Billion) in bonuses for 2009.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/09/barney-frank-clashes-with_n_351568.html


Remember when Barney Frank's live-in boyfriend was running a male bordello out of his home 'without his knowledge?'

How about when he tried to use his political position to dismiss his boyfriends parking tickets?

"Apparently he was present in 2007 when a subsequent boyfriend was arrested for growing pot and possessing drug paraphernalia. Innocent bystander again. Poor Barney! Always in the middle of these things, never has a clue. Link contains audio of Barney Frank getting aggravated at a Fox reporter. She's incredulous that he didn't know what a pot plant looks like. Her tone of voice ticked him off."

What a coincidence......he can't identify a pot plant, yet he knows enough about marijuana and supports it's use to the point that he authored a bill to allow for the consumption of pot for "medical purposes".

"The vast amount of human activity ought to be none of the government's business," Frank said on Capitol Hill. "I don't think it is the government's business to tell you how to spend your leisure time."
The Massachusetts Democrat and his supporters emphasized that only the use -- and not the abuse -- of marijuana would be decriminalized if the resolution resulted in legislation."

What a hypocrite!

You would think, as long as he's been sucking down taxpayer dollars, he'd would have become a more polished liar......I'm guessing that the average Middle School student could identify a pot plant.

I contend that Mr Frank IS no smarter than a 5th Grader......
 
americans are very stupid, i would know seeing how im the only canadian in my family and when i goto the states to visit my family i see all the stupidity that americans do,

i tell you wut!! lol
 
whitetrashxj said:
americans are very stupid, i would know seeing how im the only canadian in my family

FUKK YOU.

By the way, nice use of capitalization, punctuation, and grammar. I'm sure that your countrymen would be very proud of your shining example of Canadian intellect.
 
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americans are very stupid, i would know seeing how im the only canadian in my family and when i goto the states to visit my family i see all the stupidity that americans do,

i tell you wut!! lol

Back off the throttle there, kujito....if whitetrashxj wants to call his non-Canadian family members stupid, who are we to interject?
 
Obama, The House, Senate, etc. are all one big disaster! We still have to deal with the 2nd and third effects of all of this bullshit which we may not see for 5 years, which of course is a different election cycle and everyone will blame the new regime. Ten trillion worth of debt, making private sector problems with the banks, car mfg's, etc. public sector problems. All of which will probably lead to high interest and inflation down the road.
 
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