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Old June 9th, 2011, 09:22
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44s & a 3 link

Recently i ran into a little bit of money, sold this honda accord i bought, and made 1500 bones profit...Jeep money

So i found some wagoneer 44s on craigslist, they were out of an '89, but they had been swapped into a YJ. The front has warn lockouts, 4.88 gears, and a mini spool. The rear has 4.88s and a mini spool. I paid 800 for the two of them. Oh yea, the guy threw in a 3/8s hd dif cover too

Here are the axles when i first picked them up:



Gears:



Okay, so here are my plans.

For the upper link ill be using:

-7/8s ruff stuff heims

-1.5 inch ID .25 wall DOM, probably going to be sleeved, i need to do more research.

Lower links

-(2) 1 1/4 ruff stuff heims

-(2) ballistic fab poly bushings

-1.5 ID .25 wall DOM, possibly going to be sleeved with 2 inch ID DOM, not sure on the width yet. I still need to do a little more research.

Axle Bracketry

- Ballistic Fab Coil buckets, with LCA mounts, and shock mounts. http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Link-bracket-coil-spring-shock-mount-combo_p_1461.html

- Im going to be re-using a trackbar mount that i have, and most likely the trackbar itself too.

-Barnes 4wd, adjustable link tower. http://www.barnes4wd.com/product_info.php?products_id=2400

"Frame" Bracketry

- Ballistic Fab link mount http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Heavy-Duty-Frame-Link-Mount_p_1511.html

- Ballisitc Fab upper/lower link bracket http://www.ballisticfabrication.com/Dual-frame-link-mount_p_1164.html

They will both be welded to HD offroad engineering Frame stiffeners.

Steering

-JCR OTK knuckle steering, and eventually chevy flat-tops and true high steer.

Im planning on a ~31' lower and a ~31 inch upper, Should keep the pinion pointed at the output on the t-case even at full droop. Around 8 inches of vertical seperation at the axle, and around 3-4 at the frame.

For all of the welding, ill be using my Marquette 220v with 75/25 gas, and .030 wire.

Practice welds:




I have all of my "junk" on order, i hope to start fabricating by this weekend.

The only progress i have on the axles, is that they are both stripped of their old YJ SOA brackets, they still need to be ground down to bare metal though.

Grinding/ cutting sucks in this weather, all the sparks stick right to my sweaty skin.



I guess ill throw in a before shot of my XJ, once im done, its gonna have 35 inch MTR/kevlar, and soft 8s (the official rim of jeepforum)



All comments, questions, criticism, concerns are welcome.

This is essentially shortxjdougs old setup. I saw his setup on his old woody waggy, and decided it was good enough for my rig.
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Old June 9th, 2011, 09:23
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Re: 44s & a 3 link



Welded up my barnes 4x4 link tower today.

How do my welds look?

Yes, i did fix the weld all the way to the right.



Frame stiffeners came today.

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Old June 9th, 2011, 09:32
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Re: 44s & a 3 link

Looks nice so far.
Check out my thread.

http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1015215

I didn't put details about where I got my stuff but a lot was from Ballistic and Blue Torch.
Stiffners from HD Offroad.

I think I have the same brackets but your links don't work.
Good luck and can't wait to see more pics.
Stukboy

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Old June 9th, 2011, 10:02
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Re: 44s & a 3 link

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Looks nice so far.
Check out my thread.

http://naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1015215

I didn't put details about where I got my stuff but a lot was from Ballistic and Blue Torch.
Stiffners from HD Offroad.

I think I have the same brackets but your links don't work.
Good luck and can't wait to see more pics.
Stukboy

I saw your thread a while back.

And yes we have the same coil bracketry, how do you like yours?
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Old June 9th, 2011, 10:58
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Re: 44s & a 3 link

tire size?

with spools front and rear you need hydro assist.
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Old June 9th, 2011, 11:21
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tire size?

with spools front and rear you need hydro assist.
Im going 35' MTR/k

I forgot to mention it in the first post, but im going to get rid of the spools and go with lunchbox lockers.
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Old June 9th, 2011, 11:50
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Im going 35' MTR/k

I forgot to mention it in the first post, but im going to get rid of the spools and go with lunchbox lockers.
werd. thatll be better, i reread and saw they were mini spools. good luck with the build mang, sounds good.
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Old June 9th, 2011, 11:52
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Im going 35' MTR/k

I forgot to mention it in the first post, but im going to get rid of the spools and go with lunchbox lockers.
Run a spool in the front and a lunchbox in the rear. Your turning radius will suffer a little with a spool but it is expected since both tires will be turning at the same rate. For a steering box look into a Durango steering box and a PSC pump or grand Cherokee 4.7l pump. With that steering set up you will be able to turn those 35's with a spooled front no problem.
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Run a spool in the front and a lunchbox in the rear. Your turning radius will suffer a little with a spool but it is expected since both tires will be turning at the same rate. For a steering box look into a Durango steering box and a PSC pump or grand Cherokee 4.7l pump. With that steering set up you will be able to turn those 35's with a spooled front no problem.
I actually need a new steering box anyway, mine leaks like a sieve. I know i could just replace the seal, but id rather get a new better box anyways.

Does the WJ pump need anything else to install or is it all bolt in?
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I actually need a new steering box anyway, mine leaks like a sieve. I know i could just replace the seal, but id rather get a new better box anyways.

Does the WJ pump need anything else to install or is it all bolt in?
I believe it's a bolt in affair, u just need to plug one of the return lines.
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tire size?

with spools front and rear you need hydro assist.
Does this also pertain to ARBs?
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Does this also pertain to ARBs?


when you can switch from spool to open by hitting a switch, it gets fairly easy to turn.
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Re: 44s & a 3 link

You will still want hydro assist.
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You will still want hydro assist.
Why? I can turn mine with my index finger with the same set-up... stock steering box with high steer...
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Re: 44s & a 3 link

my wj pump bolted in no problem. just take the adapter off the old xj pump and block off the other return hole.
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